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All My CSI:NY Fanfic

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As you'll remember from my Twin Peaks entry, I was so deeply traumatized by how that show ended, that I essentially stopped watching "real television."
Nothing but news, animals, gardening, decorating, educational, stand-up tv shows.

I honestly have no idea HOW I happened to run into the CSI reruns on Spike TV, a cable station which had previously been The Nashville Network, but I did and I started watching, probably because I recognized William Peterson.

This requires another digression back to 1985 and a movie called To Live and Die In LA, where William Peterson was the single hottest thing ever to appear on a movie screen and I was OBSESSED with him. The fact that he didn't become a massive star at the time, I completely blame on Manhunter and especially the beard.

So based on Peterson sans beard (for the time being) and the Who song, and what appeared to be an interesting premise, I started watching the first four seasons in the slightly out of orderness they were being broadcast by Spike. I didn't mention this to hubby until he actually "caught" me at it. By this time, we had cable and Netflix, but not TIVO, so we decided to get the show from the beginning so we could watch it in order, which I think is the first time we did that.

I really liked those first few seasons, except for the super emotional grossout episodes like Blood Drops and Altar Boys. I hated the personal stuff like Warwick's gambling, Sara's ISSUES, and Catherine's daughter. I'm not sure if I did any heavy-duty shipping, although I think I supported Grissom/Sara until it actually happened at which point all I could say was "Run Grissom, run like the wind." I loved Lady Heather in the first two appearances and not so much in the later ones. Liked Brass, except for the crap with HIS daughter. Hated Ecklie so much that the minute the actor showed up in Torchwood: Miracle Day, I know his character would be scum.

I honestly think it was already running out of steam by the time Quentin Tarantino buried Nick alive. I will say that I love that episode for giving us Frank Gorshin's last performance and for John Saxon, but that was sort of the end of the line for me as a regular thing. I might watch episodes, but I wasn't TIVO-ing or giving much of a damn. I think I saw most of the Miniature Killer epsiodes, but I'm not sure and I didn't feel any suspense.

I caught of few episodes with Lawrence Fishburn and that was a big, giant MEH! I haven't even bothered to try watching it with Ted Danson, much as I loved him on Cheers.

Checking the IMDB listings, I was really surprise to see that the Miami spin-off started before New York.
WEIRD. I was convinced it was the other way. I know I saw the Miami pilot because it was on the CSI DVDs.

We started the fist season of Miami, but didn't make it to the end. I wanted to like it because of Emily Proctor who'd been Ainsley Hayes on West Wing, but it was just horrible, especially the David Caruso character and the generally right-wing politics that seemed to inform too many of the episodes, especially anything having to do with Cuba or abortion. I refused to watch another episode after the one where Horatio's big threat to the baddie who got away was that he was going to send him pictures every year of what the unborn baby would have looked like. Everything about the show was just ugly.

What makes this weirder is that I don't know exactly what David Caruso's personal politics are, whereas Gary Sinese is an out-spoken right wing prick, but that never seemed to come across on CSI:NY, at least when I was watching. And I did watch. Passionately. And I shipped. For awhile Mac/Danny was my 2nd major slash-ship after House/Wilson. With a very shiny tin-hat. It got super pissed when I decided that TPTB were deliberately "sabotaging" Mac/Danny in order to put off the slashers. However in retrospect, I'm almost happier with that approach than the "spoon-fed slash" that so many other shows have gone with since then.

So yeah, I'm happier with "organic" slash subtext that the producers deliberately quash then with fanservice which is deliberate by always a tease. I realize this is an unpopular opinion.

Mac/Danny is the second slash pairing I deliberately googled looking for fic and I found Grind. One of the hottest pieces of PWP I've ever read, and one that I was heavily influenced by, both in my writing and my Mac/Danny shipping. I also worshipped every word written by Stellaluna and all the Lindsay fic by paperclipbitch. Unfortunately there was also a horrible "rent boy" fic that helped turn me off rent-boys, WIPs and fics that schmooped out on their own darkness in one fell swoop.

Unfortunately in the course of putting Danny and Lindsay together, Danny's character was pretty much destroyed and the ability to see the Danny/Mac chemistry. Too many other characters were made generic women-in-jep or woobified beyond recognition. Also enough with the omnipotent serial killers. Haven't watched the show in years.

I do miss Sid Hammerback, my favorite of all the CSI ME's, the New York ambience, Stella's hair, good ensemble cast chemistry and of course my beloved Mac/Danny angst.

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chicating
Apr. 29th, 2012 03:19 am (UTC)
People ask me about those shows a lot, because I'm a crime junkie and stuff, but, really? The more you read about real forensics...they don't stand up. I do love the look of the original show, though. Interesting forensic fact I read in(I think) Homicide...gunshot victims often fall to the ground shot because of TV. If someone is drunk or stoned, or for some other reason doesn't know he's been shot, they stand up longer.
karaokegal
Apr. 30th, 2012 04:29 pm (UTC)
L&O is guilty as well, but the worst part is the whole "getting the DNA back in no time" meme.
chicating
Apr. 30th, 2012 04:51 pm (UTC)
Even phone records take longer than they show.
vanillafluffy
Apr. 29th, 2012 08:01 am (UTC)
I watched the first few eps of CSI: LV when it debuted, went "meh" and subsequently ignored it and the clones for years. Have lately watched a few recent eps because it's on after something else I like, and it's the first time in my life I've *ever* liked Ted Danson. (Didn't see Fishburne at all. Whatever.)

Cut to...five or six years ago. I was in an email relationship with a gal who was passionate about CSI: Miami, and I started watching reruns of the early seasons in no particular order. (So far back, they hadn't killed off Speedle.) I got caught up in watching new eps for a few seasons, but kinda lost interest when Kyle Harmon inexplicably disappeared. I cougared the heck out of that kid!

It's nice to see a show set more or less in my neck of the woods, although I roll my eyes sometimes. How come the murder is always in an upscale suburb full of swimsuit models and twenty-something hardbodies? Where are the little old retirees from Long Island? It's never grannies in schmatta or old farts in shorts with dark socks. What, are they immune to crime?

I have no memory of the eps you referenced, but over all, I like the way the team has evolved, with the exception of the Calleigh-Delko plotline, which squicked me big-time. Maybe I'm just jealous. I think Adam Rodriguez is hot stuff. I've also got a girl-crush on Eve LaRue. I don't miss Eddie Cibrian one bit.

I should probably admit that I like David Caruso. Always have, clear back to Thief of Hearts and First Blood. I enjoyed him in NYPD Blue, and that thing he did after it, something about a US district attorney? Came and went fast, whatever it was. A friend of mine, who's NOT a DC fan, says he always plays the same character, like a lobotomized robot. Oh-kay...meanwhile, I'd like to see him opposite William H. Macy as brothers. I think that could be amazing.

CSI: NY is the one I've watched the least. Maybe 10 eps total; it just doesn't wow me. Gary Sinese is okay, I don't really know the rest of the cast. As far as New York cop shows go, the only one I'm watching these days is Blue Bloods. Started watching for Tom Selleck, kept watching 'cause it's that good.

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chocolate_frapp
Apr. 29th, 2012 03:50 pm (UTC)
The grannies and old farts in shorts and socks are all packing heat. Nobody fucks with them.
karaokegal
Apr. 30th, 2012 04:28 pm (UTC)
Weirdly, even though I've never genuinely liked David Caruso in anything, I did sort of model a character in my last (published) novel after him, although by the time of actual publication I realized he was much more of a William H Macy than a David Caruso.

I really HATE self-righteousness as a character trait and I feel that the Horatio Cane character totally exudes it in a way that neither Mac Taylor or Grissom does/did. In fact, it's becoming a bit of a problem over on NCIS as well. Luckily I still like the rest of the team enough that I can put up with it from Gibbs, although I would seriously like for him to get a head-smack now and again. It's a pity that they recently killed off the one character who still have the ability to do it.
chocolate_frapp
Apr. 29th, 2012 03:47 pm (UTC)
I liked CSI:Original Recipe and CSI:NY a lot but really dislike Miami, it's too cheesy and soap opera-y and David Caruso can't act, has no charisma and looks like Archie. All he needs is hash marks on his head and he can go hang out with Jughead and Veronica, I swear.
I got so burned out on cop shows from being a child of the 70s that my roomie (who is more of a science guy than a cop guy) had to talk me into watching but I loved it until Grissom left (honestly, I can't look at Lawrence Fishburne without thinking Cowboy Curtis, the only thing that could have made his character interesting is if he had turned out to be a Dexter-type killer) and the whole thing with the serial killer who fell off of the lighthouse in NY and managed to not even get a bruise on him and sneak back into Danny and Lindsay's apartment so he could threaten their kid was RIDICULOUS. I will still watch the eps before then on DVD though.
karaokegal
Apr. 30th, 2012 04:24 pm (UTC)
I've expressed this before, but allow me to reiterate: American television needs mandatory euthanasia after five seasons. It ain't the 50's/60's/70's any more and we'll never produce another Gunsmoke. Given the 22 episode season being the norm for major networks, there is just no justification for shows being allowed to perpetuate themselves long after the producers have run out of original ideas and the shows have become hollow shells of whatever made them interesting to start out with.
damigella_314
Apr. 29th, 2012 07:28 pm (UTC)
So yeah, I'm happier with "organic" slash subtext that the producers deliberately quash then with fanservice which is deliberate by always a tease. I realize this is an unpopular opinion.
Now what could this be referring to? (wonders)
I actually never watched any CSI, because I stopped watching TV in 1984. So I'm looking forward to your posts to have a vague idea of what I missed ;).
karaokegal
Apr. 30th, 2012 04:21 pm (UTC)
It's funny, because the Mac/Danny "betrayal" happened at a point, where I still felt ok with the level of House/Wilson fanservice we were getting and didn't feel as manipulated and disgusted and I do now. Obviously I wish CSI-NY had been able to keep telling stories I found interesting without making Danny dislikeable and going out of their way to de-angst the Mac/Danny interactions, but I have to respect it more than (getting back to my favorite food metaphor) serving up Twinkies (or soda) as a cynical ploy to keep a single fanbase on the hook, while poisoning them at the same time.
hansolo5
Apr. 29th, 2012 08:20 pm (UTC)
As for House , I remember almost exactly when I first saw CSI (except that for House I remember it was exactly July 2004) : my cousin came to my place for a pizza with his girlfirend and after dinner he sat on the sofa and said : "You have to watch this ! It's really cool!" and so we watched one the first episodes of the first season. I liked it a lot for the first three/four seasons , and I shipped Grissom/Sara
:-)
I found Grissom very sexy, and only after a few time I realized he was the guy in Manhunter -I LOVED the beard instead :-) - and To live and die in LA

I really liked New York as well, but only for a couple of seasons, and never found anything interesting in Miami....
karaokegal
Apr. 30th, 2012 04:17 pm (UTC)
I feel bad that I (along with the general population) rejected Manhunter. In retrospect, it's SO MUCH better than I gave it credit for being at the time and Brian Cox's take on Hannibal Lector is so much less a caricature than what Anthony Hopkins has become.

I don't know WHY the beard put me off so much at the time, except that Will Graham wasn't Richard Chance (To Live and Die) and I was OBSESSED with the bad-ass mofoness of Chance.
gwynevere1
Apr. 30th, 2012 02:55 pm (UTC)
I know you said you gave up on CSI: New York years ago, but I highly recommend tracking down the episodes "Death House" (6.10) and "Indeliable" (8.1). You don't need to have seen any other episodes to follow those (and you haven't anything), but those two episodes are some of the best television I've seen in the past few years, which is surprising for a procedural series.
karaokegal
Apr. 30th, 2012 04:15 pm (UTC)
What would you say makes those episodes worth seeking out? Just for the record at this point, I'm NOT interested in any romantic entanglements for the characters, especially not Mac or constant victim Stella. I'm not interested in any omnipotent serious killers and the only angst I want to see involves Mac/Danny subtext. I really would have put up with almost any other amount of crap if they hadn't gone so far out of their way to knock that aspect down. (I also don't give a shit about Flack and any of his demons.)
gwynevere1
Apr. 30th, 2012 09:10 pm (UTC)
"Death House" was very much a classic mystery, in the Sherlock Holmes-Hercules Poirot sense, which was appropriate for an episode set in an apartment that hadn't been used since the 1920s. It had a good balance for the entire cast, didn't spend an inordinate amount of time on one-shot guest stars, and had well done (but not random) twists.

"Indeliable" was what the characters were doing on September 11th and how they were marking the ten year anniversary. It had the potential to be really maudlin, preachy, or political, but it wasn't and made sense for a series about New York police.
I guess I should warn, given your squicks, is that there are flashbacks to Mac's late wife, Claire, who we've known since the pilot died on 9/11. However, the het pre-dates the series and is more about the joy that Mac lost and his character development. Plus, she's played by the always wonderful Jaime Ray Newman, who has this spark and outgoing quality that plays wonderfully off of Mac's intensity and brooding. Maybe another warning is that, if you squint, there was some Danny/Flack, but I think you may need the slash googles on to see it, which, again, is limited to a flashback.
karaokegal
May. 4th, 2012 07:09 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the info. I'm sort of over Mac's Claire issues, except as they related to my Mac/Danny fetish and I hate it when they do Bromance stuf with Danny/Flack. God, I really was a single-minded Mac/Danny shipper. I'd probably laugh at myself now. (Although I did write a super-duper angsty House/CSI-NY crossover with Danny and Chase.)
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