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Thinky thoughts on The Avengers

1. Tom Hiddleston has no lips.



2. In spite of being delivered by a man with no lips, "Mewling quim," may be the single best insult ever hurled in a motion picture.

3. Sorry Hawk fans. To me Jeremy Renner will always be "Jimmy Quid" from the House MD episode Games. It's a pity, because it was actually an interesting patient/case. Too bad it was completely tainted by being part of the odious "Survivor" period on House.

4. Hahah to everyone expect a big Tony/Cap USTY Angstfest. They gave the hero-worship to Coulson and just a bit of snark to Tony. I will NOT use the B-word, but the major slash vibes were all about Tony/Bruce. Mark Ruffalo managed to overcome the loathing I developed for his character in "The Kids Are All Right."

5. Second slashiest was Loki/Thor, just to make the fangirls who like some Cest with their slash happy.

5. Tony was basically the VOICE OF JOSS and therefore seemed to MST-ing the whole movie as it was happening, especially when it came to the Thor/Loki stuff. The "Point Break" line was awesome, but very very Joss. He also sort of reminded me of Philip Marlow as played by Elliot Gould in The Long Goodbye. As if it would be beneath him to actually give a damn about anything that was happening around him. Not sure if that's become RDJr's interpretation or Joss' take on the character.

6. Another Tony thing. When Loki tried to use the spear on him, I was reminded of the line from Watching The Detectives, "But he can't be wounded cause he's got no heart." Is Tony stronger because he no longer has a human heart or is he less of a man that someone like Steve (YAWN) who is shown to be almost all heart?

7. I hope Gwyneth Paltrow got big bucks for "Brando in Superman" sized cameo.

8. Speaking of cameos: HOLY SHIT!!! Harry Dean Stanton! Harry Dean FUCKING Stanton. That is some seriously cool credibility you just bought yourself there, Joss.

9. LOVED the Hulk giving Thor that little sideways BIFF after the big fight.

10. IF I were delivering my variation on "Kneel before Zod," to a bunch of Germans IN Germany, I'm not 100% sure, I'd do it in English.

11. I was spoiled for the fact that there'd be A Joss-style death, but not for who it would be. It didn't matter. I still didn't care.

12. The Chrisses were really at a disadvantage their characters were both stuck with the curse of Irony-free Earnestness. Muscles and conventional pretty-boy features don't count for much when even the bit parts are getting to snark up a storm.

13. Now that I've seen it, I'm willing to try and write for MMOM, if anyone has a prompt they want to throw at me.

14. Despite the lip thing, Hiddleston completely PWNed most of the movie. I still wanted him to GET OVER his daddy issues, but I also wanted to see him striding around and being awesome.

15. SHWARMA!

16. ETA-I knew there was one bit that was a direct steal from Buffy and I just remembered. It's when Loki tries to use the spear on Tony's heart and nothing happens and Tony gives him the "It's nice to just cuddle" line, which is pretty much a rehash of the bit in Buffy when Spike tries to bite Willow after the Initiative puts the chip in him and he can't do it and he says, "This has never happened to me before."

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karaokegal
May. 14th, 2012 09:07 pm (UTC)
I hadn't but they certainly got that right!
vanillafluffy
May. 14th, 2012 09:25 pm (UTC)
I've been hearing about the Avengers, from everybody, but you're the one who's Got Me with some incentive: Harry Dean Stanton. W00t!!!

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karaokegal
May. 14th, 2012 09:30 pm (UTC)
It's an itsy-bitsy part, so don't go JUST for that, but it definitely required acknowledgement. Because DUDE! It's Harry Dean Stanton.
vanillafluffy
May. 14th, 2012 09:34 pm (UTC)
J'adore Harry Dean. I'm happy to know he's still around and getting work.

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karaokegal
May. 14th, 2012 09:36 pm (UTC)
I recognized him immediately, but it took a few minutes to pull his name from my increasingly swiss-cheesed brain. Then I whispered it triumphantly to Hubby who looked at me like I was nuts.
vanillafluffy
May. 14th, 2012 09:42 pm (UTC)
See, that's much greater restraint than I'd've shown. I would've squeed loudly enough to be heard in the next theater!

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vanillafluffy
May. 15th, 2012 10:02 pm (UTC)
Okay, the Universe has a sense of humor---guess who was a guest star on today's "Adam 12"?! Harry Dean himself, circa 1968.
karaokegal
May. 15th, 2012 10:09 pm (UTC)
TOO FUNNY. He must have been so YOUNG. And yet probably still half-way to grizzled. :)

Back in the hey day of "The Brat Pack," there was this article in New York Magazine and it basically described Harry Dean Stanton as the mentor of the group, because of the Emilio Estevez connection from Repo man.
vanillafluffy
May. 15th, 2012 10:55 pm (UTC)
Loved "Repo Man", but I first fell for him in "Escape From New York".

Not so much grizzled as very plain. Like a depression-era farmer or coal miner or the like.

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candesgirl
May. 14th, 2012 10:03 pm (UTC)
I remember Renner in that House episode...but he's been in so much more! The Hurt Locker! The Town!! (I. Love. The. Town.) A random episode of Angel! And clearly Clint Barton/Hawkeye was my favorite character...other than Coulson, that is. I ship it hard too, Clint/Coulson. And Clint/Natasha.

Didn't care about Coulson? Aww. But I love him. From Iron Man right through to Avengers. Clark Gregg is one of my favorite character actors.
karaokegal
May. 14th, 2012 10:16 pm (UTC)
I really felt both shipping and empathy challenged through most of it. It's like I could appreciate Joss' Jossiness, but I see it for what it is. Attempted manipulation just pisses me off, so the parts I enjoyed most were the edges such as Tony's random snark and the hilarity of Hiddleston clearly channeling Alan Rickman in the British Baddie sweepstakes.

It's really hard for anyone who's done a House episode and I wasn't familiar with their other work first, they'll always be their House characters first and foremost, including Adam Busch. To the world he's Warren Mears, who is evil incarnate for killing Tara and to me he'll always be "Cow Guy" in Sex Kills.
hllangel
May. 15th, 2012 02:18 am (UTC)
did you catch Anchor Ken's cameo? It's a bit blink-and-you-miss it, but it's there!
karaokegal
May. 15th, 2012 02:29 am (UTC)
Was he one of the reporters during the news montage toward the end?
hllangel
May. 15th, 2012 02:34 am (UTC)
MSNBC was the first of the report screens to come up . With Anchor Ken.
karaokegal
May. 15th, 2012 02:37 am (UTC)
Good for him. Not quite as cool as Harry Dean Stanton, but definitely cool. The only thing cooler would have been Rachel herself.
joanne_c
May. 15th, 2012 03:41 am (UTC)
1. True. Did he remind you of Richard E. Grant as far as looks go or is that just me?

2. I'm finding all the OUTRAGE about it strangely amusing. I believe (though I may be wrong) that Joss also used that in Firefly - without the mewling part. It may be another archaic synonym - I have not yet watched Firefly.

3. He did very little for me but I'll take him over Steve. Thoughts on him below.

4. I don't hate Steve/Tony shippers but I'm very glad that did not happen. Yay for Tony/Bruce though. Very yay. I haven't seen that movie - the one I liked him in was "Just Like Heaven" with Reese Witherspoon (my personal fave of her romantic comedies and my fourth favourite of all her roles - in order, Walk The Line, Cruel Intentions and Legally Blonde are the first three and I don't consider Legally Blonde a romantic comedy so much as a coming of age comedy).

5. I did not hit the Loki/Thor thing for some reason, weirdly because I'm always the first to ship badwrongincest. Maybe it's that it's technically not? But then it should fall into the friends as brothers and one betraying the other. Maybe it's that I ended up shipping Thor/Selvig when I watched Thor and didn't really change my mind on that here.

5. We'll have to wait for the Tony thing to see how RDJ plays him next movie, I'm thinking. I tend to say Joss, but one never knows.

6. Interesting...

7. I hope so too, but damn did she look cute :)

8. Where was he?

9. Favourite scene of all I think. Yes there were other impressive ones, but that one I still remember.

10. I think we're supposed to see it as him saying it in German and us hearing it in English. Movies' universal translator ;) I may be wrong, though.

11. I didn't care either.

12. Thor had an advantage for me there but that's all to do with the not finding Evans attractive in the least. He just... does nothing for me. Bland, boring, and honestly moving wallpaper. Rather like my general thoughts on you know who in Torchwood.

13. I can never get enough of Tony jerking off to Jarvis if you'd like to do a take on that. Also acceptable, Pepper or Natasha or Bruce doing same.

Lyric prompt (can use for another fandom): It's sad and it's sweet and I knew it complete when I wore a younger man's clothes. An older person (woman works too) remembering someone maybe?

14. He was good but I liked Bruce better. Also to do with the adorable Mark Ruffalo interview on Graham Norton that made me determined to see the movie, though.

15. That scene wasn't in our version, sadly. Yes I did stay to the end of the credits.

Edited at 2012-05-15 03:45 am (UTC)
karaokegal
May. 15th, 2012 03:48 am (UTC)
I'll do a longer replay later, but F/Y/I, that was Harry Dean Stanton giving Bruce the pants and telling him he had a "condition." Which was awesome but threw me out of the movie until I could remember his name.

I can't believe you were deprived of the Schwarma scene. That totally sucks. I'm sure it's available on Youtube, but still.
joanne_c
May. 15th, 2012 03:58 am (UTC)
Ah of course! Now you say it of course it was him! I kept thinking I recognised him but must've missed him in the credits (still trying to figure out who Alexis Denisof was but I think he was the other bad guy maybe).

I am annoyed. At least we got the other credits scene or I would've been very annoyed.
karaokegal
May. 15th, 2012 05:10 am (UTC)
I'm not even sure he was in the credits. Maybe it was that much of a cameo. I think Alexis Denisof MIGHT have been one of the shadowy council guys trying to give orders to Nick Fury.
karaokegal
May. 16th, 2012 05:15 pm (UTC)
1. True. Did he remind you of Richard E. Grant as far as looks go or is that just me?

Not really. Different kind of features I think, but he was damn impressive. Just lipless, not that there's anything wrong with that. Kenneth Brannagh is a bit low in the lip department as well.


2. I'm finding all the OUTRAGE about it strangely amusing. I believe (though I may be wrong) that Joss also used that in Firefly - without the mewling part. It may be another archaic synonym - I have not yet watched Firefly.

Speaking of Joss repeating himself. I had ETA to the post because it occurred to be that the business with Loki being unable to use the spear on Tony was pretty much a steal from the scene where Spike tries to bite Willow and the chip won't let him. Same basic metaphor.


4. I don't hate Steve/Tony shippers but I'm very glad that did not happen. Yay for Tony/Bruce though. Very yay.

I think Bruce/Tony is a great victory for the "Smart is the new Sexy" crowd. Not that the actors aren't attractive, but the connection is clearly best on intellectual respect, which isn't a dynamic you necessarily see in a lot of slash pairings.

5. I did not hit the Loki/Thor thing for some reason, weirdly because I'm always the first to ship badwrongincest. Maybe it's that it's technically not? But then it should fall into the friends as brothers and one betraying the other. Maybe it's that I ended up shipping Thor/Selvig when I watched Thor and didn't really change my mind on that here.

To me Thor just has so little going on mentally/emotionally compared to how complex Loki is. One hates to play into the "dumb hunk" sterotype, but neither the script or the acting is giving me much else to go on.


5. We'll have to wait for the Tony thing to see how RDJ plays him next movie, I'm thinking. I tend to say Joss, but one never knows.

Do we know WHO is writing directing the next Ironman? Will it be Favreau again? If so, it'll be Swingers Tony as opposed to Marlow Tony.



9. Favourite scene of all I think. Yes there were other impressive ones, but that one I still remember.

Just so unexpected. Almost like the CGI decided to ad-lib.

12. Thor had an advantage for me there but that's all to do with the not finding Evans attractive in the least. He just... does nothing for me. Bland, boring, and honestly moving wallpaper. Rather like my general thoughts on you know who in Torchwood.

He was genuinely more attractive and interesting as an Evil Skateboarder in the Scott Pilgrim movie.

13. I can never get enough of Tony jerking off to Jarvis if you'd like to do a take on that. Also acceptable, Pepper or Natasha or Bruce doing same.

*ponders*
starhawk2005
May. 28th, 2013 04:47 pm (UTC)
Apparently I don't mind the lack of lips on Tom. 'Mewling quim' was pretty awesome and shocking at the same time, hee....

IF I were delivering my variation on "Kneel before Zod," to a bunch of Germans IN Germany, I'm not 100% sure, I'd do it in English.

Maybe Loki has a Universal Translator spell?

Not to mention, would a Norse god have a BRITISH accent? Unlikely, but hey....I'm too turned on to care! ;D

Hiddleston completely PWNed most of the movie. I still wanted him to GET OVER his daddy issues, but I also wanted to see him striding around and being awesome.

Yes and YES. Dude pretty much PWNED me too, in case that hasn't been abundantly clear since last summer, heheh....
karaokegal
May. 28th, 2013 10:30 pm (UTC)
Yes, that idea has come across. Have you had the chance to see him as Prince Hal/Henry V in The Hollow Crown? I can't believe poor guy had to do "Once more good friends unto the breach" his very first day on set.
starhawk2005
May. 29th, 2013 04:09 pm (UTC)
Oh yes! As much as I lust after Loki, redheaded!Tom runs a close second. And yeah, kudos to Tom for taking on that major speech right out of the gate!
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