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Glen Beck's New Target: Glee


My apologies for posting a link from a right-wing hate site, but it's the only report I've seen so far and we really need to stay aware of how psychotic the right-wing really are when it comes to attacking any positive depiction of gay people.

If you're here in the USA, remember we need crawl on broken glass to vote for Barack Obama in November. Mitt Romney can look and act like he's not at this level of anti-gay and anti-choice and in his heart he may not be, but POLITICALLY he will be forced to kow-tow to Beck and his minions.

I understand for a lot of people, Glee is hardly doing their gay stories as well as they could or should, but if it's enough to piss off Glenn Beck, then it's still worth some support.

It's times like this I REALLY wish Keith Olbermann was still on the air.

And while we're at it, consider having some Lucky Charms or Cheerios for breakfast:

General Mills against gay marriage ban.
A bunch of wing-nuts response to this story has been to (OF COURSE) threaten a boycott of General Mills, so throw a little support their way.

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chicating
Jun. 17th, 2012 12:21 am (UTC)
Keith had a game on Twitter last night where he had people inserting the word "vagina" into classic movie quotes. It was urbane, yet juvenile at the same time. Classic KO.
It made me want to get my twitter working so I could play, almost.
Little things make me think about him all the time, actually...it's as if he really used to be my boyfriend. But it's hard to go a week without seeing a movie about New York, reading something about baseball, or you know, other Keithly things. Dan Savage was at Cornell last week, for instance, and joked about how hard-working and intense the students are.(I really should have gone to a college like that, too. More so than mine, which is famous for all the local bars and wet t-shirt contests.)
Have you seen the new Chris Hayes Lean Forward ad? Very cute...CH looks great in bicycle shorts.
karaokegal
Jun. 17th, 2012 04:30 am (UTC)
I haven't been watching a lot of MSNBC lately. It's still too much like a member of the family is missing and also I can barely stomach watching the news these days because it's just too depressing. Our team is not having a good month.
chicating
Jun. 17th, 2012 08:19 pm (UTC)
Well, if you catch it...
it's Hayes talking about climate and biking to work, and just wanted to pinch his cheeks when I saw it.
karaokegal
Jun. 18th, 2012 03:18 am (UTC)
Re: Well, if you catch it...
Awwwwww! I'll keep my eyes open. I know I need to start watching again.
chicating
Jun. 18th, 2012 10:40 pm (UTC)
Re: Well, if you catch it...
I was going to post it from you-tube, but some RW idiot's made a mocking mashup already.
Probably cause he doesn't look so good in Lycra shorts.(Not to objectify Chris Hayes unduly as he is the human specimen I would bring forward if Kang and Kodos wanted to blow up the world and needed proof that humanity's not useless...he's among the best we have.*And* he looks good in tight bike shorts.)
He would so blush to read that.
joanne_c
Jun. 17th, 2012 02:57 am (UTC)
While there's a lot that could be done better, Glee is definitely portraying gay characters positively. It may not always be as prominent as some people would like (though the obsessive comparison to the straight couples is sometimes weirdly annoying like they're looking for a quota for the gay couples - it may not be the intent but it certainly comes across that way). It's a long way from some of the re-runs I've been seeing of very early attempts at gay characters/storylines, I'll say that.

Specifics - I saw an episode of The Love Boat that had an old friend of Doc's who was gay. If he hadn't said he was gay, I would've honestly thought it was my slash goggles for most of the ep. It was well done and not homophobic - Doc's reaction was wonderful - but it was a one off character.

I saw one of The Golden Girls which had Blanche's gay brother. Played very neutral and she loved him but he didn't have a partner or flirtation at all. It wasn't bad but it felt unfinished compared to other things.

On Cheers (just watched this one yesterday, actually), Harvey Fierstein (whose voice I've decided I love, randomly) played an old boyfriend of Rebecca's who she thought she'd get back together with, but when he came in and talked to Sam he made it obvious (not anvilly though) that he was gay. Quite interestingly done, actually, but these are all one off characters.

I remember the days of thirtysomething and the gay scene being so scandalous - it showed two guys in bed, and LA Law and the lesbian kiss between Abby and CJ, and all the steps, and honestly I wonder if people nowadays even know what that was like, seeing an occasional character pop up, or even back further to things, as you've discussed, like Bewitched and Paul Lynde (I always knew there was something about him but never clicked what it was), to background positive portrayals such as the receptionist on NYPD Blue, to original Melrose Place which didn't even allow the gay character to ever kiss on screen (and it was a Fox show too), to Queer As Folk and a dozen movies like Velvet Goldmine and The Talented Mr Ripley, and now to shows like Glee, Modern Family (I don't watch but it seems to be playing the couple well from my short glimpses while waiting for other shows), and others.

I know Glee isn't doing all it could. But it's doing a lot more than other shows ever got the chance to.

And that's my rant that I was not expecting to write out.
karaokegal
Jun. 17th, 2012 04:13 am (UTC)
Good rant! And it's good to remember just how far we have come.
The fact that we have the ability to complain about a show not giving us "enough" of the kind of gay we want, is pretty impressive. I wish that Vito Russo had lived to see the number of visible gay characters in movies and TV, as well as the number of out actors.

joanne_c
Jun. 17th, 2012 04:26 am (UTC)
To the best of my recall, I think the first gay characters I ever remember seeing were Michael Caine and Christopher Reeve in Deathtrap - there may have been others earlier, but that's my first clear memory.

It really is amazing in some ways. I know there are bad sides - the entitled shippers we both know too much about, lack of chemistry (although, given that I do think some of the complaints about lack of screen time and affection with Glee are valid, could some of that be lack of seeing anything, sometimes? Though I know that's not the case with J/I), etc, but at least there's things to compare it to now.

He's the guy who wrote The Celluloid Closet, right? I haven't read the book but I saw the movie and it was so interesting to see all the things that were coded gay back in the day that I never realised, but a gay person could take something from - the one I really remember is Joan Crawford in Johnny Guitar, and I remembered that when I watched the movie not very long ago. I think it would've been amazing if he could have seen that, yes.

Edited at 2012-06-17 04:29 am (UTC)
karaokegal
Jun. 17th, 2012 05:28 pm (UTC)
I read the book when it came out and I was fortunate enough to get to see what may have been one of the last live presentations of the "The Celluloid Closet" by Vito in person, where he would show the actual clips and talk about them.

As much as I wish my father had lived to see Obama elected, I wish that Vito had lived to see actors like Neil Patrick Harris and John Barrowman having incredible, popular careers while being happily out of the closet.

Again, the fact that we can actually argue about whether a an on-screen acknowledged same-sex couple has chemistry or not enough screen time is something to be appreciated. It's still no excuse for any fandom to overlook the snooze factor when it's there, anymore than we have to embrace a straight and pretty couple just because the powers that be think we should.

I'm not a big fan of double standards.


joanne_c
Jun. 25th, 2012 04:34 pm (UTC)
That would have been so amazing to see. I should try and get the book at some point. I think it would also be really amazing to see a sequel/look at more recent movies (and even possibly include TV shows) as well.

It would have been wonderful if Vito could have seen this.

I agree, very much. I also think (and I'm not sure we completely agree on this, but it's okay) that I like that there are people who don't feel the snooze factor, who see something in the on-screen gay couples I don't. But that's because there are the pretty, straight couples I don't see, or ship, so I'm not surprised when it happens with gay couples as well and in fact I think it's more honest than embracing a gay couple just because they're gay. Not that I think all fans of canon gay are doing this but I think there's at least a dedicated minority who do seek out canon gay couples only because they're canon (and I won't say I haven't started to watch things that I know will have a gay couple in them either) and tend to ignore or at least gloss over a lot of the issues with writing/acting/chemistry because canon gay couples are rarer so they do have to work with what's there rather than be able to find many others, and while I don't see that as a huge issue in and of itself, when I don't see the chemistry or the writing isn't good (I have, myself, forgiven much lack of chemistry for good writing, with both gay and straight couples) I'm going to be annoyed.

What I really want is for there to be more variety and representation of gay/bi/other 'minority' sexualities so we don't have to settle for chemistry or good writing but are lucky enough to have enough choice of either or both. We're not there yet, but we're closer than we were even five years ago.

I also really want the show/fandom that has the gay equivalent of Peter/Elizabeth, with the third party being a female Neal type. Let's have a female Mozzie while we're at it, and Kate still being Neal's motivation for getting out of prison.

Someday. If not in that exact configuration of character types.
pgrabia
Jun. 17th, 2012 03:08 am (UTC)
I think I threw up in my mouth when he said left-wingers would be having sex with him without even knowing it--oops, I just threw up again. Is this the new 'Moral Majority"? Welcome back to the stone ages.
karaokegal
Jun. 17th, 2012 04:10 am (UTC)
Glenn Beck is crazy and evil in ways that Jerry Falwell and the old Moral Majority never imagined.
rose_cat
Jun. 17th, 2012 09:14 am (UTC)
...he said left-wingers would be having sex with him without even knowing it...

WTF? Also EWWW.
karaokegal
Jun. 17th, 2012 05:31 pm (UTC)
As with almost all prudish, anti-choice, anti-gay right wing nutjobs, Beck is absolutely OBSESSED with sex.
rose_cat
Jun. 17th, 2012 06:44 pm (UTC)
Like the SJWs who look for "isms" EVERYWHERE so they can rant about them. (Why, yes, I do look for SJWs EVERYWHERE so I can rant about them...oh.)
rose_cat
Jun. 17th, 2012 09:11 am (UTC)
Well, I don't eat Lucky Charms or Cheerios, but...

General Mills Brands

...my kitchen is full of Cascadian Farms and Muir Glen products.

I should probably get some Haagen-Daas. For the cause, of course. Not that I want it or anything. (Damn, isn't there any chocolate in the house?)
karaokegal
Jun. 17th, 2012 05:31 pm (UTC)
Whatever it takes!
rose_cat
Jun. 17th, 2012 06:49 pm (UTC)
Yes, I'll be a martyr for the cause, alas. Not that I'll enjoy it or anything.
chocolate_frapp
Jun. 17th, 2012 07:54 pm (UTC)
it always kills me how the anti-gay marriage bigots insist that they're doing this because marriage is supposedly about kids. if they get their way on this next thing you know they'll try to make heterosexual marriage illegal between people who don't want or can't have kids next.
karaokegal
Jun. 18th, 2012 03:24 am (UTC)
And of course one of the memes in that "community" is that it's the liberals who try to justify bad things by making it "for the kids."
chicating
Jun. 18th, 2012 10:43 pm (UTC)
Glenn Beck's *wife* probably only fucks him when she wants a new household appliance..nobody else wants to.
Trust me.
karaokegal
Jun. 18th, 2012 10:49 pm (UTC)
One hates to throw looks-ism into the political pot, because it can come back to bite one on the butt...but really, the man is a freaking troll!
chicating
Jun. 18th, 2012 11:08 pm (UTC)
It's not really his face so much, as the junk that comes out of it.(And I bet he has at least one disturbing kink) If he wasn't so often hysterical and paranoid, his features look all right. In a Salesman of The Year kind of way, which is not a look I'm into, but...
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