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100 TV Shows-#30-Due South

Due South

One theme that seems to be emerging in this meme project is that I don't like change, especially not when it comes to TV shows. Obviously House MD is an extreme example, but it's also makes the point. If I fall in love with a show from the beginning. I want it to stay as close to how it was when I fell in love with it as possible. M*A*S*H was never as good for me without Trapper and Henry. When the Bochco multi-cast shows started to shed characters and gain new ones, I started losing interest. This even applies to shows I come to on DVD after they're done. Dawn on Buffy, The Vampire Slayer, anybody? My loathing knows no bounds.

I honestly wasn't expecting to encounter this feeling when I put the Due South disks on the Netflix queue. I didn't know much about the show, except the basic outlines and I might have read some fic. I had an idea that it was written for Come As You're Not, but I'm not finding it there. I vaguely remember it as a first-time slash fic AND strangely enough, I think it was a Fraser/Ray K fic, which I found hot. Mind you, there was some J/I Torchwood fic I liked before I saw the actual show and knew better.

I'd seen the icons with Diefenbaker and that appealed to my doggie love instincts. I can't remember who it was...Swiss Cheesse brain strikes again, but there was even a hard-core J/I fan (one of the sane ones) and we managed to achieve friendship over our mutual dog love as she pimped Due South to me. If you're still there---send up a flare.

Thanks to TV Tropes, I was aware of the Ray switch AND I kind of knew there was a ship-war involved, but I didn't quite get the details. I wasn't even expecting to like the show all that much. I'm not a big fan of "fish out of water" premises, and it sounded sort of like Northern Exposure. In fact, I used to mix up the titles. Mostly I thought Hubby would like it and I wanted to see the wolf.

What I didn't know was how much I would LOVE the relationship between Ray V and Fraser as it developed in the first two seasons. LOVE LOVE LOVE. One of the best "Buddy Cop" friendships ever. I literally saw those two guys fall in love and it was beautiful. I also loved the supporting guys, the Mounties, the music, the humor and of course...DIEFENBAKER.

The other thing I didn't know was exactly how the switch was going to go down. I'd THOUGHT it was more a Darrin on Bewitched thing. I didn't know how upsetting the actual mechanism of the switch would be for Fraser and how angry I would get when it seemed as though Fraser got over it and immediately transferred his relationship to Ray K. I wouldn't have minded so much IF they'd given them at least a slightly different dynamic, but it felt like whole hog appropriation and it made me furious.

Yes, I understand WHY it happened, because they didn't think they were getting another season and then David Marciano wasn't available and so they had to bring in a new character and BLAH BLAH BLAH. I do not care!

A genuine Darrin switch would actually have been more acceptable to me, rather than making the entire last season feel like a total slap in the face, ESPECIALLY the much-vaunted slashy finale. Yes, I know that some people actually find Callum Keith Rennie attractive and use that to justify the idea that a slash pairing is somehow more likely. (I also know that Paul Gross is one of those people. FUCK YOU PAUL!) I'm also pissed that they managed to derail Fraser/Maggie while they were at it. Hell, I'd have preferred it if Ray V's. SISTER were on that sled.

So yeah....love the first two seasons and then just RAGE at the violation of the third. Presumably the only redeeming feature is that I came to all this after the show was on the air, because you guys know how I fight ship-wars. So I got to do my fulminating on this one mostly in private. UNTIL NOW!


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Jun. 26th, 2012 12:02 am (UTC)
Diefenbaker! I loved this show, watching all the episodes when they aired, but never got into the fandom, despite writing a bunch of Jack/Benton fics.

I always loved the dynamics between Ray V, his family and Benny. :)
Jun. 26th, 2012 03:17 am (UTC)
I loved your Jack/Benton drabbles. They brought a believable sweet side of Jack.
Jun. 26th, 2012 03:43 am (UTC)
Except of course if the change is one you want (teaboy death, for example).

But yes, I'd gathered that about you. I've never fully understood the utter hatred some people in fandom have for change, though. Isn't it better for a show to change than be cancelled if the changes aren't bad? I mean if MASH had only had however many years with Trapper, there's some classic TV that would never have been made. But it does depend on the show overall.

Or look at soaps. They thrive on casting changes and I've often (not, to be fair, always) liked the replacements as well or better.

On topic, I never really liked RayK much, don't see what the fuss is about CKR, didn't watch a lot of the third season.

I did like Paul Gross in the shortlived TV series Eastwick better than on this show.

Edited at 2012-06-26 03:45 am (UTC)
Jun. 26th, 2012 04:02 am (UTC)
I knew soap opera issue was going to come up. And the Whining Welshman
one. :)

I think for me, it just comes down to whatever point I imprint on a show or character. I didn't get into Dynasty until Stephen had become Jack Coleman and Joan Collins had shown up in that fabulous hat. Once Michael Nader showed up as Dex, THAT was my Dynasty, and I had some great years with them. By the time the Moldavian Massacre happened, I was already losing interest because too many people had come and gone.

Maybe I was lucky in a weird way that I came to Edge of Night so close to the end. It died with all my characters still there.

I love Paul Gross in Slings and Arrows. I actually do love him as Fraser. I just hate his quotes about the Ray switch, and some coarse behavior in the outtakes, which the RayK folks like to use as "proof" of their ship.
Jun. 26th, 2012 06:49 am (UTC)
To be fair, if (general) you're into soaps, you know what you're getting so you're more prepared for it than with other genres.

That makes sense to an extent. I kind of remember those years better.

Possibly, yes. I never saw Edge Of Night but I've heard so many good things about it.

I like Fraser, I just liked him better as the devil, what can I say? I like bad boys ;)

Well his quotes are probably because he was a producer and wanted to make it clear he was okay with it and it's not really his fault that the shippers do that - after all, Doctor/Jack fans squeed madly at the Comic Con kiss and that was just as much fanservice really.
Jun. 26th, 2012 07:25 pm (UTC)
I think the John/David kiss was more like genuine fan-boying on John's part, whereas the John/Gareth stuff was more likely to be contrived fanservice. My Squeeee in that case was more for my Tin Hatty John/David RPS shipping than my perfectly rational, completely canon-compliant Jack/Doctor shipping. *g*

The same sort of holds true for my other great Soap Opera affair, which is General Hospital. MY General Hospital was the few years just after the Luke/Laura wedding. My "super couples" are Scotty/Heather, Holly/Robert, Alan/Monica and I guess in retrospect I hate!ship Luke/Scotty. When that core group started peeling off and especially when the gang stuff became prevalent, I got pretty MEH, although strangely enough, I got into some hard-core vicarious shipwars when I first found the soap opera boards in the late 90's.

Somehow I took sides in ship-wars on Guiding Light and One Life To Live, even though I wasn't actually watching the shows, mostly based on how the warriors were acting. I swear if you ever saw the OLTL TNT (Todd N Tea) shippers, they are pretty much the template for J/I, right down to the ugly, misogynistic treatment of Blair. This will be a 100 TV Shows entry at some point, so I can go into more detail.

Jun. 26th, 2012 05:49 am (UTC)
I agree with you on the cast change thing. Even though I've watched the first two seasons of Due South, I haven't watched the others because I don't want to hate them.
Jun. 26th, 2012 05:52 am (UTC)
THANK YOU! FWIW, it's only one additional season, but if you love the first two, it's just not worth it. Just pretend it ended after Season 2.
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Jun. 26th, 2012 07:18 pm (UTC)
Fangirls=/=rational thought. And I do ship war hard and nasty. However, it's a "dead" war, and the Chelsea Drugstore is all about THE LOVE. (Unless someone actually pisses me off...Hardy Fuck Yous are mostly reserved for political enemies.)

I remember watching the first few eps that I saw of Slings and Arrows being literally gobsmacked that the same actor could actually be playing messed up, drunken, cursing Geoffrey, so well did he commit himself to playing Fraser.

You're never too old for OMG!CUTEDOGGYWOLFWANT.
Jun. 26th, 2012 11:57 pm (UTC)
I wrote a Come As You Aren't first-time Fraser/RayK fic, but I can't imagine you finding it hot, as it was me and therefore nearly gen. I would say it was rustydog who you shared the doggie love with, as she was watching it along with me, but I wouldn't call her a hardcore J/I fan.
Jun. 27th, 2012 12:00 am (UTC)
I think it was your story. And I'm not calling you J/I (not that there's anything wrong with that, as long as they see it exactly the way I do) at all. There were a few separate people involved. Your story was awesome in its own right...it probably wouldn't work for me now, having seen the show and come to the feelings that I did.

At least I know I'm not nuts (well, I might be) and that the story actually exists.

Jun. 27th, 2012 01:22 am (UTC)
I'm J/I-ish, in that I don't hate it like you do. (Mind you, I don't think anybody hates it like you do...:D) I even wrote a ridiculously fluffy J/I fic once. I'd link it here, but I'm afraid your journal would go up in flames. But I'm really not a fan of anything at all Torchwood-related, and prefer to treat the entire concept as an RTD-specific AU.

I saw a whole lot of love between Fraser and RayV, but to me it looked all strictly platonic. I didn't see as close a relationship between Fraser and RayK, but what I did see struck me as closer to slashy than the RayV relationship. Different strokes, right?

I did have half of an epic Fraser/RayV/RayK fic written before RayWars II: Electric Boogaloo erupted and I lost my taste for the fandom.

Edited at 2012-06-27 01:23 am (UTC)
Jun. 27th, 2012 03:07 am (UTC)
I don't think anybody hates it like you do.

*takes a bow*

Although honestly? I'm kind of burned out on the whole thing. I basically consider the war won. Now I just want my Jack/Doctor reunion with Jack written by Moff.

As much as I HATE the phrase "demi-sexual," I could almost see Fraser being that way, so it's hard for me to say, well RayV has the emotion, but RayK has the sex, and if that's not what you're trying to say I apologize. I am glad that you were part of the chain that got me to the show, since I do adore those first two seasons.

I didn't realize there were two phases of the ship-war, so once again, I'm also glad that I came to fandom after the show was over and most of it had transpired. (That applies to Buffy as well, and makes me grateful that I was NEVER into X-Files.)

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