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Supreme Court upholds Obamacare 5-4.


(Although I wish they wouldn't use Wing-Nut terminology. That's The Affordable Health Care Act, folks.)

THANK YOU GOD (if there is one) and something I never, ever, ever thought I'd say: Thank you Chief Justice John Roberts!

Although WTF? Kennedy against and Roberts for? What is this, Topsy-Turvy day? Anyway, I'll let Joanthan Turley explain it to me later.

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tourmaline1973
Jun. 28th, 2012 05:21 pm (UTC)
'Obamacare' is a wingnut-origin term? No problem, see it & use it as a proud reclamation, like Gothic Architecture, or the immortalising of one man in bringing health to the nation as with the Beveridge Report (aka the Report of the Inter-Departmental Committee on Social Insurance and Allied Services).
karaokegal
Jun. 28th, 2012 05:25 pm (UTC)
It was coined by the opposition and actually harks back to their (sadly) effective use of the derogatory "Hillary Care" to harpoon Bill Clinton's attempts to get health care reform in 1993.

To control the language is to control the debate. That's why I NEVER call an anti-choice advocate "pro-life." It's like using a fandom smooshname, especially once that makes the pairing look or sound bad.

I understand the idea of reclaiming when it comes to words like "queer" or even "bitch," but right now I feel "Obamacare" is too loaded. Maybe this decision will change that, but I tend to doubt it.
cuddyclothes
Jun. 28th, 2012 05:30 pm (UTC)
I am soooooooo happy! I danced around my apartment singing "Fuck You" even though the rest of the lyrics aren't appropriate. But who cares? SO many of my friends don't have insurance, and I know they were going to fuck with Medicare. WOOOOOHOOOOOO!
karaokegal
Jun. 28th, 2012 05:31 pm (UTC)
FUCK YOU is highly appropriate today. A HEARTY FUCK YOU to every single person of any political or ideaological affiliation to dares to deny that affordable health care is a human right.
damigella_314
Jun. 28th, 2012 06:19 pm (UTC)
I'm so happy for all of you, and for all Americans with insufficient or no healthcare.
And may the word Obamacare have the same success that Big Bang* had - it was originally coined as a way to make fun of an obviously ridiculous theory.

About language: I am very careful to avoid pro-life, because, really, it makes no sense. If they were pro-life, they would be pro-contraception, pro-sex ed, and pro-health care. But Obamacare, like Big Bang, is actually a good description. Obama cares: for the poor, the old, the sick. Fuck them all.

*I mean in the physics, not the fanfic sense :). Though that's also awesome.
karaokegal
Jun. 28th, 2012 08:13 pm (UTC)
I understand your point and even the President has tried to reclaim it that way, but right now I think it is just too loaded. Listen to how Wing-nuts use it and it just makes you NOT want to give them the inch of repeating their phraseology.
tourmaline1973
Jun. 28th, 2012 10:38 pm (UTC)
Cannot stop watching dancing Dr Park :)
hllangel
Jun. 28th, 2012 08:08 pm (UTC)
SO FUCKING HAPPY OVER THIS.

Quick legal explanation: most of the legal arguments were based on the commerce clause which gives congress the power to regulate things having to do with interstate commerce. Breyer, Sotomayor, Ginsburg, and Kagan upheld under the commerce clause, because YES YOU CAN UPHOLD THIS UNDER THE COMMERCE CLAUSE, especially if you can regulate individual medical marijuana growing/using under the commerce clause.

Roberts disagreed, but upheld under the tax and spend clause (which is arguably the more powerful general power of congress, because it gives congress power to "tax and spend for the general welfare"), because the consequence for not having healthcare is a tax. Therefore, tax power fits. the Tax power is the closest congress has to general police powers, which are reserved to the states.

(granted, this is based on me reading lots and lots of comments and not the opinions, because no time for 200 pages of SCOTUS ruminating today, but as I understand it, that's what it is.)
karaokegal
Jun. 28th, 2012 08:11 pm (UTC)
Aside from hilarious villification of Roberts from the Wing-nuts, because all of a sudden he's gone from their constitutional savior to a "black-robed Gestapo agent," I've read a lot of spin to the extent that Roberts essentially calling the President a liar by making the Mandate a Tax. This is allegedly how they're going to win the election. Whatever. Seriously, this is the happiest I've been politically since the day they actually passed the bill and maybe since Election Night 2008.
hllangel
Jun. 28th, 2012 08:13 pm (UTC)
I reblogged a post on tumblr citing three different mandates to buy health care/do something passed by early congresses that INCLUDED the framers.

So if that's not constitutional, not sure what it.

And i saw another quote on tumblr that called Obama a mob boss (with Axelrod his enforcer) not in so many words, because teh ONLY way it could have POSSIBLY be upheld is because someone threatened Roberts' family.

the tears of righteous indignation are so delicious today.
karaokegal
Jun. 28th, 2012 08:14 pm (UTC)
I love the smell of Wing-Nut butthurt in the morning. (And the afternoon and evening.)
chicating
Jun. 28th, 2012 09:05 pm (UTC)
Obama cares.
ObamaCare.
It's a beginning...
karaokegal
Jun. 28th, 2012 09:07 pm (UTC)
*HUGS* Finally a day when I go home and watch Rachel and Jon and Colbert and know it won't make me ill.
chicating
Jun. 28th, 2012 09:17 pm (UTC)
I'll never like John Roberts
but I'll give him this.
karaokegal
Jun. 28th, 2012 09:19 pm (UTC)
Re: I'll never like John Roberts
My favorite part of the wing-nut conspiracy theorizing that is going on today, is that he did it to be accepted by the "liberal establishment" *MASSIVE EYEROLL!* Specifically, he wanted to be invited to more cocktail parties.
chicating
Jun. 29th, 2012 12:18 am (UTC)
Re: I'll never like John Roberts
As if.
book_junkie007
Jun. 29th, 2012 03:47 am (UTC)
Apparently a lot of the people who are unhappy with this decision are moving to Canada, which amuses me, cuz, you know, we have universal health care here as well, which is paid for out of the government's pocket. There's also no issues with abortion or contraceptives and homosexual marriage is legal across the country, which I'm sure they would be absolutely THRILLED about knowing.

If you want to move to Canada because of this decision, please stay in the US. Stupid people aren't wanted here, only the awesome ones. :P
karaokegal
Jun. 29th, 2012 03:53 am (UTC)
Don't forget that pot is considerably closer to legal than it is here. w
book_junkie007
Jun. 29th, 2012 04:07 am (UTC)
That too. B.C. bud anyone? ;) Plus you can get 191 proof Everclear (95% alcohol) straight off the shelf in Alberta without a permit.

In all honesty, Canada is even more liberal than the US, which makes me wonder how well the Republicans would actually adjust to life in Canada.
karaokegal
Jun. 29th, 2012 04:19 am (UTC)
They think that Harper is one of them. It's almost as hilarious as the alacrity with which they've turned on Justice Roberts. Two days ago, he was their hero and today he's Judas.
book_junkie007
Jun. 29th, 2012 04:57 am (UTC)
*laughs* Oh dear. Harper would be roasted alive if he even thought about privatizing health care. It's been a major sticking point for years, with the majority of people not wanting privatization to happen. Yes, Harper is a conservative, but the reason why he's in power is shaky. He got a majority government by the skin of his teeth, having had a minority government before. We'll see how things turn out in the end.
karaokegal
Jun. 29th, 2012 08:54 pm (UTC)
These people turn a dime when they don't get their way. Today they're VILLIFYING Chief Justice Roberts as the anti-christ when just before the Arizona decision he was their savior. In the last hour they've got gone from lionizing Angela Merkel to calling her a sell-out.
rustydog
Jun. 29th, 2012 04:57 am (UTC)
*dances*

I've been trying to figure out all day... the Tea Party folks are livid/horrified about this because... it takes away their right to choose not to buy something--most likely at a better price--that they all individually want for themselves and their children? Right.
karaokegal
Jun. 29th, 2012 05:03 am (UTC)
*twirls you around*

All they know is they hate ANYTHING which means poor people might actually be taken care of. Or anything that a liberal likes.
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