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100 TV Shows #34-Heroes


All my Heroes fic, including hard-core incest and kink.

The Writer's Guild of America Strike 2007-2008 affect lots of shows, but it came damn close to ruining at least two that were near and dear to my heart. I obviously don't know ALL the details, and House was going into the ditch with the "Survivor" newbies anyway, but the 16 episodes of Season 4, really starting the death by 1000 cuts and the character derailment, some of which MIGHT have been stanched IF the writers had been able to do a full season and explain why people were acting the way they were. Cuddy going from wanting a baby to birth control (for the purpose of a single joke) and back again. NOTHING would have redeemed 13, Kutner or Taub, but the whole closing arc of the season MIGHT (repeat MIGHT) have made a smidge more sense if we'd seen the build-up to the Wilson/Amber relationship instead of having to fill it all in with fanon and fanfic.

The other one is Heroes. Talk about a show with squandered potential and the squandering mostly happened because the 2nd season SUCKED! The second season sucked because they didn't have time to actually write plausible (within Heroes parameters) characters, plots, dialogue etc.

I'd gotten into the show between the first two seasons thanks to the lovely hllangel setting me up with the discs and FALLEN IN LOVE as I do. Also as I do, not necessarily with the pretty young white-cock pairings and juggernaut ships. I was mostly fascinated by the enigmatic Noah Bennet (HRG) which had both to do with the writing and the thrill of Steven Carrington being grown up and HOT!

I was also enamored of Nathan Petrelli in all his husky-voiced sexiness, although not predominantly interested in the Peter/Nathan stuff. I liked the angst and had nothing against the incest, per se. (Luckily my loathing of every single iota of anything having to do with Supernatural had naught to do with the incest angle. I'm willing to own my own hypocrisies, but that would have been a bit much.)

It was one of those shows where I could potentially ship everyone with everyone because there was so much subtext and chemistry. This was before I started getting super cranky about actors acknowledging slash shippiness, so Milo and Adrian didn't piss me off as say certain actors do now. (Yeah Tim and Matty, I'm looking at you.)

I crossed lines in the incest shipping on this show that I didn't know I had because I didn't know they'd ever come up.

Allow me to reference a Meme I did back in January of 2011:

Meme of doom ganked from The Fabulous Ree

Day 9: The most believable relationship.

Two from Heroes
Peter and Nathan Petrelli
Noah and Claire Bennet

I know it's sort of weird to talk about "believable" and Heroes in the same meme, BUT whether you ship the incesty subtexts or refuse to even see them, there's no denying the "realness" in the brother/brother and father/daughter relationships.

I also shipped Nathan/Noah with all kinds of fucked up connotations having to do with Claire (Nathan's bio-daughter, Noah's adopted daughter). And of course I wanted Nathan/Claire incest too.

All of this was fabulous and kinky and hot and awesome.

Unfortunately there were other characters and plots and that STUPID FUCKING WRITER'S STRIKE.

Therefore shit like: Caitlin--what ever happened to Caitlin? Maya! Alejandro! Fly!Mojinder! Sylar is a Petrelli-no he isn't. The waste of using David Anders in two roles, when there wasn't enough intelligent characterization for one. All of the New Orleans garbage. Plots that bored the shit out of me and were never resolved.

The bad stuff didn't stop when the strike did. There'd be moments of brilliance and then stupidity. Too much Hiro and Ando. Gretchen. Samuel. Matt getting back with Janice AFTER losing the "Love of his life."

Seriously, just looking at the IMDB listing and remembering that I sat through it all for the sake of Adrian Pasdar and Jack Coleman makes me frothing at the mouth angry.

I come from a long line of Wobblies and Writers. There's no way I wouldn't support the writers in the strike. BUT WHY DID IT HAVE TO RUIN TWO SHOWS I LOVED?????


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Jul. 11th, 2012 01:29 am (UTC)
I will have to bookmark this so that I can read your fics (because I think I'm a fan of most of those pairings etc) but I just want to say that I agree with so much of what you've said here. Ugh writer's strike D:

But I have especially experienced this: "It was one of those shows where I could potentially ship everyone with everyone because there was so much subtext and chemistry." (and mostly anyone or everyone with HRG...)
Jul. 11th, 2012 03:20 am (UTC)
I'm really fond of my Noah/Jack Harkness crossover and the Noah/Nathan one I did. I had so much fun working with those characters.
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Jul. 11th, 2012 03:26 am (UTC)
Agreed! Definitely one of those circumstances where the writers fell in love with their own creation OR thought he was such a "fan favorite" that the show couldn't survive without him, but there was no
place for the character to go. By the time he was talking to himself as his own mother...yikes.

And Christine Rose is AMAZING!
Jul. 11th, 2012 05:07 pm (UTC)
Heroes! <3

There is no argument that Season 1 is one of the best shows in TV history, it's definitely a classic but Heroes always had problems, and yes, even during season one. Some of these problems become more apparent especially after the Writer's Strike but it wasn't the only reason why we didn't get another season with the same quality. Maybe this won't make any sense but I believe the cast's amazing chemistry and the fact we all had our favorite characters made the writers' job very hard.

Everything aside, I'm still (and forever) a huge Heroes fan because no other show made me feel like the way it did. There was always something that made me squee in delight, even in the first half of season 3, well, we always had angst and HRG. :P I thought season 2 was sometimes pretty boring, but the amount of subtext always saved the day. For me, that was the season when the writers took HRG/Clairebear to a whole new level and hey, that was the only time we saw a half-naked Jack Coleman, so yay! :P

I still believe season 4 was the best season after season one, but it was obvious Heroes was never going to become a ratings monster like once it used to be even though it surpassed every other show (including Lost) when it came to illegal downloading. Also, I will never ever understand the media hatred towards Heroes.

Edited at 2012-07-11 05:08 pm (UTC)
Jul. 11th, 2012 05:56 pm (UTC)
I love Season 1 so MUCH! Maybe especially because I was able to do the whole thing in one fell, uncut, swoop. The other seasons, I basically watched in real time, FF-ing commercials and having put up with cliff-hangers and hiatuses. So I suffered through Maya and
Alejandro week by week with no way to get around it.

Every season did have good bits. I hated a lot of the Sylar is a Petrelli fake-out, but I LOVED him as a Company Man in a suit with HRG. I hated the "rounding up the specials" plot, but I loved seeing Nathan in all his bad-ass glory, especially when he did stick his neck out to help Claire.

Unfortunately I REALLY hated the Claire/Gretchen crap, mostly because of the set-up. They did way too good a job of making her a creepy stalker for me to be that it was all a misunderstanding later on. The Samuel stuff had so much potential, but went tits up something fierce...although I did love Doyle as a semi-good guy.

I really wasn't aware of the media hatred, at least not at the time. Fannish hatred yes, media no. I actually thought it was a media darling, for the first season anyway.
Jul. 11th, 2012 06:36 pm (UTC)
I agree about Samuel and his storyline having loads of potential. I too was expecting more. LOL I also agree about Claire/Gretchen even though one of my buddies loves it. XD Eh, I guess nothing is as horrible as Maya.

Oh, there was a huge buzz even before season one aired, but things have changed by season 3 and it's not really about show's quality. I remember an incident that I heard from a buddy who knew stuff from the inside: Heroes people invited EW to the set for interviews and then EW did an elaborate coverpage interview and then smeared them. And NBC made Heroes go media quiet. The thing is, I know so many popular shows becoming awful but none of them got the treatment Heroes did. After that incident and NBC's no media policy, everyone started to blast Heroes in every opportunity.
Jul. 11th, 2012 06:39 pm (UTC)
Thanks for filling me in. I generally pretty media-savvy about this stuff, but since I wasn't into Heroes when the first wave broke, I seem to have missed the ensuing fall out when the press found something else shiny to look at. Maya is to Heroes as ODOR is to House MD.
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Jul. 18th, 2012 01:02 am (UTC)
Absolutely. There was so much "problematic" material on any given week that if my social consciousness had been more engaged, I MIGHT have walked away instead of staying until the bitter end. Let's just say I was thinking with my Pasdar-lust and my love for HRG rather than anything rational.

I'm not sure it ever really worked as a pure genre show either, which may have been part of the problem.
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