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Engaging with a Wing-Nut Columnist.

There's a truly vile conservabitch named Alicia Colon, who by dint of being a traitor to her gender, is very popular in conservative circles. Today she posted this piece of garbage and instead of noting it and moving on, I snapped a little. (I think it was the trashing of Salman Rushdie that did it.)

Do you actually believe the hateful rhetoric you spew or do it just do it to keep getting adulation and ass-pats from the small-minded, racist, anti-choice gang at L-dot? Or are you a genuinely sane, but incredibly duplicitous person who knows how to get the adulation and ass-pats for financial gain, but secretly laughs at them?

Because if you read the rest of their comments on every single post, and you still bathe in their love and admiration than you are personally responsible for what they are going to wreak on this country and when you actually need anything like healthcare or a choice or a non-poisonous environment, or when a gay friend is being carted away to the camps, they will no longer love you. Trust me.

I was surprised that she actually responded.

What you call hateful rhetoric I call truth. You may not recognize it.You have my deepest sympathy.

The following exchange then ensued:

ME: Calling it truth doesn't make it so.
You have my pity.

ALICIA: You really should be more specific in your criticism. Exactly what do you find hateful?

ME: Well there's the seething hatred of our President, which you either genuinely feel or are happy to stir up for whatever purpose suits you. The hatred of gay people, or the very least their ability to marry those they love---please spare me the "gay people have the same rights as every body else to marry the opposite sex" spiel. Whatever you are, you're not completely stupid. Why is that homophobes, who claim to be so revolted by the idea of what two people might do consensually, are actually obsessed with the details? Again...just read any L-dot thread that deals however tangentially with a gay issue and you will find replies that go into such details and use their personal issues as the reason to withhold human rights from a class of people.

The hatred of the very notion that the government can be a force for good in life by providing people with something terribly frivolous, like, you know, basic healthcare.

How about that old chestnut "Liberalism is a mental disease," usually followed by threats of violence and/or incarceration?

This reflects both what I see in your columns and the general tenor and comments of the places where said columns appear and gather the most love and admiration. Your readers, who don't just oppose progressives on ideological grounds, but actively wish them harm. If you read the comments on your own columns you see them all the time and have never to my knowledge repudiated any of them.

Today you are getting your literary gonads massaged by those who froth at the mouth at the idea of the remotest limit on their "god-given" right to have any and all weapons of their choosing at any time and place. Of course they've already lost the argument by invoking Godwin's rule, but those are your minions.

It's kind of funny that to make your point (and make them roll over and purr in your lap, as they are wont to do) you have to malign Salman Rushdie. Right up until the minute he dared to tread on their blood engorged toes, he was a great hero to the Islamophobes because he was perceived to be on their side. OOPS...now he has expressed an opinion contrary to the Right Wing dogma and you are already spitting on him. Stay classy, Alicia.

You wonder where I'm seeing the hatred? It's in every word you write and every reply you garner in support.

In case the next question is "Why do I read it?" It's to know thine enemy and self-protection. These are the people who will be coming after us, probably regardless of the election results. As to why I decided to engage today? That I don't know. Usually, I just monitor, take note and distribute. Today, in the face of the Colorado tragedy, it was too much and I felt the need to say something.

(This is where she really shows her true colors and starts calling the President names.)

ALICIA: Oh please, spoken like a true Kool-aid drinker. Since I have both gays and blacks in my family with all my grandchildren a rainbow of shades, you'd rather call me hateful and fail to address the consequences of what liberalism has wrought to our country. Perhaps you are too young but I remember when no one had healthcare and we did just fine because doctors' services were affordable. Big cities had free clinics. The government stepped in and voila, doctors became rich and fake clinics sprung up in the barrios and ghettos charging for bogus services.
I've seen my neighbors become cripples to government checks. Why work when if you know how to work the system you can get section 8, food stamps, medicaid all paid for by taxpayers.

President Obama is a socialist. He has no idea how capitalism works except to take advantage of it. Do you realize that you are playing right into what Saul Alinsky predicted in his Rules For Radicals? Bring up the race card whenever possible. What I find so disturbing listening to the President's speeches. It's the audience cheering him. there are none so blind, yadda, yadda, yadda.

ME: See?
All you can do is lash out with your "Kool Aid" cliches. (Or tell me about your family members, in exactly the same tone that was once used for "some of my best friends are...")

You're so angry with the fact that Obama did win and is even trying to help anyone and that people do actually love him. I know how much that much pain you. I am not a "taker," or currently on any form of assistance. I'm a white collar worker who believes to my soul that we are here to help our fellow man and that government does have a valid part to play in that.

Ooooh....scary black man is a Socialist. And a Muslim. And Gay. Or whatever your people need to believe to ignore the fact that the world is changing and their lies don't work anymore.

And so what if he's any of those thing. I have no problem with socialism, Islam or homosexuality.

I'm not "too young." I'm the perfect age to know the folks who were saved by the New Deal and the Great Society.

All you've got is Social Darwinism and finger pointing.

Your rage seeps across the internet. You have to keep telling yourself lies about Obama and the progressive movement to sop up the anger spilling out of your pores and negate the fact that the lies can't work indefinitely. (Do you know that Chick-Fil-A got busted using fake Face Book accounts and is lying about why they don't have the Muppett Toys anymore?)

We might lose the next election because of voter supression and intimidation and the sheer brazen, balls out lying that goes down so well with your minions, but we will be back.

In the meantime, she sent me this: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/07/living_outside_the_tiny_black_box.html

Already saw the link. You people are reallyreally predictable.
Again with the hatred and "your" black people are different and special and that somehow proves that there really isn't any racism and never was. Also the nearly heinous canard that it was Republicans who were ALWAYS for civil rights and the Democratic party that was against them. Really? No one is buying it, except the wing-nut circle jerk. (All you have to do is listen to the speeches of Barry Goldwater to burst that bubble.)

Then she goes ahead and tries to brazenly deny actual history:

I'm sorry but you've obviously don't know your civil rights history. Core is real. NAACP sold out to Dems. You just spout their same old talking points. Perfect definition of a Kool-Aid drinker. Ta-ta.

ME: And you have the balls to think Orwell would be on your side?



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Jul. 26th, 2012 11:58 pm (UTC)
Wow. You're a stronger person then I, disgusting right wing idiots like that make me so angry I can't even try to talk to them. All I'd do is squawk in bewilderment and rage. Kudos to you, that was a way, way more civilized then she deserved.

Also, I completely fail to see how 'socialist' is such a horrible horrible thing? Are we suppose to quake in fear of the evil socialists and their *gasp* health care?
Jul. 27th, 2012 12:01 am (UTC)
I have no problem with Socialism. It's just a buzzword. It's how they manipulate their sheeplike followers. Socialist. Homosexual. Muslim. It's all so SCARY that they need a great white hope of a Republican to rescue them.
Jul. 27th, 2012 12:19 am (UTC)
And the great white hope of a Republican appears to have put his foot in his mouth whilst in London.
Jul. 27th, 2012 12:20 am (UTC)
Only from a sane person's POV. The drooling wing-nuts over here LOVE him for that shit. He's throwing them red meat right and left.
Jul. 27th, 2012 12:59 am (UTC)
The Mayor of London (Boris) and Cameron are both making fun of him. How is that for building diplomatic bridges?
Jul. 27th, 2012 01:01 am (UTC)
They're conflicted. They want the "special relationship" that they claim Obama has destroyed, but they ALSO hate the anyone in the UK leadership who is vaguely to the left of their Sainted Maggie Thatcher. THEY detest Cameron for support gay marriage and doing ANYTHING but trying to completely destroy the NHS.
Jul. 27th, 2012 09:01 am (UTC)
I certainly wouldn't have written to such an idiot. I barely managed to read through her story to the end. In fact, being a mother, the part about her blaming parents who had their kids along and the poor woman whose son was abducted was almost the worse part - including the implication that her own baby survived being home alone for what, twenty minutes, because she prayed all the time. While shopping (eyeroll).

The idea that the two of you kept answering each other, otoh, makes me think you share a certain stubborness (if nothing else).

PS I do like your final salutation, a portmanteau of arrivederci and merda :). Yeah, I know you didn't mean it like that, but it is indeed very fitting.

ETA I realise I didn't specify that I completely and totally agree with you, but of course you know that. Also, her comparison with Switzerland makes no sense: most Swiss weapons are state-issued, state-inspected and kept under strict regulation - hey, it's Switzerland! - by people who have been trained to use them properly and are kept uptodate with their training throughout their life.

Edited at 2012-07-27 09:06 am (UTC)
Jul. 27th, 2012 04:45 pm (UTC)
I should have checked, but I was desperate to end the interaction and get it sent and block her gmail from my screen and take a hot shower...well you get the idea.

I don't know WHY I did it. It's just the love and adulation and ass-pats she gets from the wing-nut contingent that laps this vomit up...like I said, something snapped. I really think it was the hypocrisy of attacking Salman Rushdie. Wing-nuts LOVE Salman Rushdie as long as he's saying bad things about Muslims. The MINUTE he strays from the wing-nut plantation, he's another loony leftie. It just gets me so angry.

But it was stupid. I didn't convince her and she sure as hell didn't convince me. It's a microcosm of the whole political "debate" (and I use the word debate quite wrongly) in this country.
Jul. 27th, 2012 03:41 pm (UTC)
Wow. Kudos for taking her on.
Jul. 27th, 2012 04:48 pm (UTC)
Exercise in futility. :( The problem is that the only other option is to stay in our own bubbles where we only talk to the people who believe what we do anyway. And that doesn't get the message out of our ghetto either.
Jul. 27th, 2012 04:48 pm (UTC)
*pets you* Not much use arguing with zealots, I'm afraid. They already drank their own Kool-Aid, but they convinced themselves it was Diet Pepsi.
Jul. 27th, 2012 04:49 pm (UTC)
THANKS! I love how they can only accuse the opposition of being "kool-aid drinkers" while barely noticing how canned and obvious their own talking points are.
Jul. 27th, 2012 05:13 pm (UTC)
I'm so glad I live in Canada and don't have to deal with the same crazy you do down South.
Jul. 27th, 2012 06:11 pm (UTC)
I wanna see her green and purple grandchildren!
I am disabled and I can't get food stamps (because I get SSI which is BELOW minimum wage) and i can't get section 8 either (because I committed the sin of not breeding).
Jul. 27th, 2012 06:12 pm (UTC)
Conservacunts are the absolute worst of the breed and there are not enough horrible things I can wish upon them, only so that they would be put in a position where they would see the necessity for all the things they are trying to deprive the truly needy of.
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