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Arrow-I'm up to Episode 7.


And I'm going to say it, emphatically-This show sucks donkey balls. Olly is a self-righteous jerk. I don't feel the slightest bit of sympathy for what he suffered on the island. I have no investment in his quest and I'm personally rooting for every single bad guy to get away with it and for the main cop to take him down. HARD. Laurel is ONLY tolerable when she's with Tommy.

In fact the ONLY moment I genuinely liked him at all was the hamburger scene with Moira at the end of episode 6.

I like Walter and Moira because he's Dr. Moon from Silence in the Library and she's got every reason to dislike her self-righteous prig of a son, plus she's clearly hooked up with the ONLY reason I am watching this steamy pile of dung: JOHN FUCKING BARROWMAN.

OMG! He looks so good. Absolutely edible. The Empty Child good. Utopia good. The kind of take your breath away good that made me love Jack Harkness in the first place and fight the good fight over the misguided violations that RTD attempted to subject him until he saw the light. Better than he got to look in all of CoE and MD put together. THAT GOOD. And because he looks that good and gets to be a BAMF in some very nice suits and in episode 7, be still my beating heart, a fencing uniform---I will stick to this thing like glue and hope (against hope and reason) that he gets to win or at least hurt and humiliate Olly at length. Two scenes in Episode 7 and he got to PWN everyone he came in contact with. (I wouldn't mind it if he shtupped Laurel and Moira just for the hell of it.)



Doctor Who-The Snowmen



You know, if the Doctor is going to have a male type companion around for muscle and soldiery stuff who is devoted to the Doctor even when he's being treated like shit, I can certainly think of a better looking one. Especially if Moff if obsessed with making everything as self-referential as possible, since he did write Empty Child and The Doctor Dances. I'm just saying...

Also not as enamored of HI THERE, WE'RE VICTORIAN LESBIANS!!!! as everybody. I liked when it was a bit more subtle and think the "we're married" line, is just there for self-congratulations, not because it's remotely plausible that they'd actually say it out loud in that time and place, even if she is a lizard woman who could theoretically just eat any enemies.

I've also kind of had it with the Doctor going into another post-Companion mope. To me Amy and Rory just don't rate it. MAYBE ROSE did. I know it's not everyone's favorite fact, but Rose WAS special. (It wouldn't have hurt Jack and Martha so much if she wasn't.) So THAT mope made sense.

The post Donna mope...maybe, although that was also a post-Rose reduxe mope, if you think about it. This one...MEH. It just seemed very perfunctory...like having to get Murdoch out of the looney bin AGAIN just to get an A-Team plot going.

I do love Clara/Oswin or whatever her name is going to be. I am so a million times over Amy, her accent, her fake Rory love, her particular brand of self-involved sassiness. Whatever it was, I really think the arc should have been over with "I don't want you to get killed. Here's your house." Everything after that was tired and lame and I got the feeling it was only being done so Moff could take a stab out out RTD-ing RTD in a tear-jerker that jerked no tears from me.

I get that the new girl is falling into a bunch of tropes we've seen before, but there's something about her that I liked, even if for the moment it's just being NOT-AMY.

I genuinely liked this episode more than any of Moff's Christmas episodes to day. I mean...RICHARD E. FUCKING GRANT!!!! The voice of Sir Ian McKellen. Some really good CGI on the Ice Governess. Strax was hilarious, even if... (see above.) Although if he's supposed to be Vastra's butler, then why was he hanging out with the Doctor...or vice versa? Is he working two jobs? Did I miss something? (Probably---I'd also like to know where the Doctor's "marriage" to River falls into this period---is he not popping back for conjugal visits while he's moping on a cloud?)

I just thought this one was considerably less sentimental and less dependent on Timey Wimey BS. Also Richard E. Grant trumps Gambon and I liked Clara better than PLUCKY WWII MOM, because you know, I already saw The Empty Child.

Love the new opening credits. Love the new TARDIS. I'm still working my way through Tom Baker, so retro definitely makes me happy. Looking forward to new episodes, which is more than I've been able to say for awhile.



Elementary-Leviathan



This episode really pinged a lot of my House buttons, especially the bit with the hookers and Joan's line about "What, no triplets," or whatever she actually said, because it was so House/Wilson---and what I'm trying to ask myself is whether it was good House/Wilson or bad House/Wilson. I think it was good House/Wilson because it made it clear that Holmes IS shtupping the hookers and that Watson is amused by this, and maybe just possibly jealous, but not enough not to be sassy about it.

The stuff with her family was mostly non-cringeworthy, so yay, and the blood transfusion bit also struck me as more of House solving a medical puzzle than Holmes solving a murder/robbery mystery.

I'm really not averse to a hyper-sexualized Holmes, even if it's more House than ACD or BBC.

Comments

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donutsweeper
Dec. 31st, 2012 11:43 pm (UTC)
I like Arrow more than you, it's not great but I do feel for Ollie and think Diggle has potential. Thea annoys the hell out of me though. But whatever, just saying that if you are watching for Barrowman you MUST watch 1x9. DO IT! DO IT!!
karaokegal
Dec. 31st, 2012 11:57 pm (UTC)
Going through them as fast as I can.
onlyonechoice
Jan. 1st, 2013 12:31 am (UTC)
YES OMG Episode 9 will make you happy you stuck around :D
karaokegal
Jan. 1st, 2013 12:36 am (UTC)
Whoooo-hoooo! AS long as John's there; I'm there. I went to fucking Birmingham England...IN JANUARY. I watched ALL of John's Desperate Housewives episodes. My Barrowmania is still a powerful force.
donutsweeper
Jan. 1st, 2013 12:41 am (UTC)
*points to icon* EPISODE NINE.... WATCH IT... you know you want to....
karaokegal
Jan. 1st, 2013 12:42 am (UTC)
The only thing more powerful than Barrowmania is OCD...I have to get through Episode 8 first.
onlyonechoice
Jan. 1st, 2013 02:43 am (UTC)
*laughs* I keep looking for a 'like' button for this comment!
leiascully
Dec. 31st, 2012 11:48 pm (UTC)
As a queer woman, I'm nearly always in favor of canonical gay relationships, so the legitimacy of Vastra/Jenny pleases me in a way that leaving it subtext would not have. I know about your deep love of subtext, but saying it out loud matters a lot to me and my queer friends. Vastra has pretty much said whatever she wanted in her few minutes of screentime, so I doubt she'd really be bothered. She's a lizard woman. She's not trying to fit in.
karaokegal
Dec. 31st, 2012 11:56 pm (UTC)
To me it just felt like Moff scoring points. (Especially in light of the vast amounts of fan-service bait and switch he's pulled on Sherlock.) But I take your point...the "married" line just threw me off, because IF it's supposed to be literal...how exactly would that have happened in that time and place? (Maybe there's fanfic to be written about the Doctor performing the ceremony in some capacity as the "captain" of his own ship?)
leiascully
Jan. 1st, 2013 12:22 am (UTC)
Well, we don't know anything about Homo reptilia weddings either, so that's hard to say. Also, surely even in Victorian times there were a few non-jackasses/subversives, or Jenny might have dressed as a man. She seems plenty comfortable in those trousers, and Vastra did forget the difference between men and women at one point.

My point is that I don't care if it's fanservice. It makes me feel like there's a little less loathing in a world that sometimes hates me very much. I don't get to get married, after all. It's nice that Vastra and Jenny did.
karaokegal
Jan. 1st, 2013 12:24 am (UTC)
Maybe we'll all get to see a world (or at least a United States) where you do.
leiascully
Jan. 1st, 2013 04:22 am (UTC)
That would be nice, but until it happens, I'm still happy to have text and not just subtext. It doesn't exactly make me feel any less like a second-class citizen.
karaokegal
Jan. 1st, 2013 06:27 pm (UTC)
This thread and the issues raised have given birth to new plot bunny. (Not counting Yuletide, this is the first spontaneous appearance of my fanfic muse in quite a while.)
leiascully
Jan. 1st, 2013 07:37 pm (UTC)
Hmm. Tentative congratulations.
cuddyclothes
Jan. 1st, 2013 12:30 am (UTC)
Are you in America? If not, there are plenty of states to visit to get married!
leiascully
Jan. 1st, 2013 04:21 am (UTC)
Unfortunately, it doesn't really work that way, since my state wouldn't acknowledge the validity of my marriage if I did do that. I could have a ceremony any time I wanted, but I wouldn't have the same rights as other people. Additionally, I'll be happy to see canon gay couples on television even after gay marriage is legalized worldwide, because we're underrepresented.
cuddyclothes
Jan. 1st, 2013 12:28 am (UTC)
Fortunately, since I haven't seen any of these shows, I can't be pissed off. Except that I've seen bits and pieces of Arrow because it's the lead-in for Supernatural, and OMG, you're right, it sucks donkey balls. You do bring the ranty goodness! (My only cavil is Richard Grant trumping the Awesomeness That Is Michael Gambon, but maybe on that show he did.)

I can't tell from your summation, but do you like Elementary or not?
karaokegal
Jan. 1st, 2013 12:34 am (UTC)
I can't tell from your summation, but do you like Elementary or not?

I like Jonny Lee Miller's Sherlock, I ADORE Lucy Liu's Joan Watson. I'm kind of in love with Aidan Quinn's Gregson. I REALLY like a lot of what they are doing in attempting to draw from ACD/BBC Sherlock and House. The Sherlock/Joan chemistry is sort of a split difference between all three sources, but there's a lot of charm there.

The big problem is the actual mysteries which are your basic CBS procedural plots, with an occasional clever twist, but generally nothing you couldn't see coming through the Lincoln Tunnel at the 25 minute mark.

Part of me is so gun-shy after the House debacle that it's very hard to let myself feel fannish squeeee enthusiasm for anything, and the bog-standard plotting isn't helping.

Gambon had to basically play Scrooge, and therefore be woobified and redeemed. Richard E. Grant got to be more of an out and out baddie and chew up some furniture unabashedly. Also, I've LOVED Richard E. Grant a long time---back to Henry & June, plus of course WITHNAIL. Gambon has Top Gear, but Richard E. Grant was on QI.
photoash
Jan. 1st, 2013 02:41 am (UTC)
Since I don't keep up with Dr. Who chatter I don't know what people are saying about Clara but while I liked her. I don't like the previews for the rest of the season where it's "oooo a special magical person who is not what they seem" ... for gods sake we've already had fucking River Song as his uber special and Amy... can't we just go back to normal companions? :( I don't want a super special one.

Otherwise I think it'll be good if that super special bit doesn't come to fruition in too gag inducing manner.

And I loved the we're married line <3 I thought it was lovely and one of my favorite parts of the episode by far! :)
karaokegal
Jan. 1st, 2013 05:07 am (UTC)
Well, RTD's women were all "super speshul" in their own ways as well, and I'm not sure where Moff is going right now. I'm just happy to be done with Amy's brand of self-adoration.

dref22
Jan. 1st, 2013 08:06 pm (UTC)
Haha, I enjoy Arrow more than you do but it has problems, that's for sure. :D It's weird but I have a problem with the fact that Oliver is way too trigger happy. I totally love Walter and Moira! They are way more interesting than Oliver.
karaokegal
Jan. 3rd, 2013 11:07 pm (UTC)
I REALLY hate vigilantism-based plots, especially when they come with so much unbridled self-righteousness. It also annoys me that he has no compunction about taking out random mooks, who have done nothing worse than make a bad career choice.

Seriously Oliver...get over yourself, big guy!
daasgrrl
Jan. 1st, 2013 09:47 pm (UTC)
I watched the Xmas special, although I don't watch Who in general. I got that he was moping over someone, and that's about it. I did like the woman who they seem to have lined up for the job, though. And the potato man.

I liked Joan's attitude re the hookers - she's just like, okay, whatever, you - which I liked. And yeah, Holmes is much more like a House clone than resembling BBC!Holmes, imo.
karaokegal
Jan. 3rd, 2013 10:57 pm (UTC)
Strax was great, although technically the Sontarans aren't generally idiots. They do have a bit of tunnel vision though. They're bred to be warriors and that's pretty much all they know.

Joan's hooker snark was the perfect dead-pan, but that whole set-up (as with the dominiatrix in the opening ep) was very House-y, although without the pathos angle. House's whore fetish seemed to have a lot to do with his self-loathing, and whatever issues JLM's Sherlock has, I don't THINK it's that.
sharp2799
Jan. 3rd, 2013 12:28 am (UTC)
This is the first time I could post at LJ in days due to them being attacked. *fingers crossed that it holds* EVERY TIME I could get to this page it refused to let me post!

Anyway. I tried to watch Arrow and decided...no. Just no. Despite others telling me to hang in there.

Dr. Who. I always have such high hopes for the Christmas episode and almost always walk away feeling meh. I think I'm more happy about the idea that there is a new Who ep to sorta tide me over until the months roll around to see the new season.

And I meant to watch Elementary and then somehow missed it. But given your remarks on how Housian it was this time, maybe it's for the best.
karaokegal
Jan. 3rd, 2013 10:49 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't wish Arrow on my worst enemy, unless said enemy was a Barrowmaniac of equal intensity. I do think Elementary is worth a look. Again, I can't remotely sell it in terms of the actual mystery plots, but JLM and Lucy Liu are so very charming together and I feel what they're doing with the idea of a "modern" Holmes is cobbling enough of both BBC Sherlock and House and coming up with something quite watchable.

I'm sorry to say that Matt Smith has never really worked for me as the Doctor, but I don't know if that's Moff's fault, Smith's fault or just too much residual love for Eccleston and Tennant. So it could be that while I am EMPHATICALLY over Amy Pond, the real problem is Matt Smith's Doctor as opposed to any individual companion.
sharp2799
Jan. 4th, 2013 01:00 am (UTC)
The person who loves Arrow is a confirmed diehard JB fan. :D

I've been watching Elementary since day one and only missed the last one. Looking forward to tonight's ep. But not fannishly invested yet. As you say, the plots are....*shrugs*

I've adjusted to the different Doctors as they came along but I admit, in the new version of Dr. Who, my absolute favorite is Christopher Eccleston (with Rose). I have a number of favorite David Tennant eps too, notably "Blink" and "The Shakespeare Code." With Matt Smith, I realized that my favorite eps are the ones with River Song.
karaokegal
Jan. 4th, 2013 01:06 am (UTC)
And speaking of River Song, I've sort of lost my interest in keeping up with NCIS, but did happen to watch two of this season's episodes the other night, including one with Alex Kingston being EXTREMELY River-ish.
sharp2799
Jan. 4th, 2013 02:13 am (UTC)
I can see her giving Gibbs a run for his money. ;) Aside from my shipping him with Kate, I've never been happy with who they tried to pair him with.
karaokegal
Jan. 6th, 2013 01:50 am (UTC)
The Coast Guard chick (Abigail?) isn't bad. The rest have been appalling. Of course for me that's fine, since my Gibbs/Fornell shipping does continue unabated. (Although after Devil's Trifecta, I may have an OT3 of Gibbs/Fornell/Dianne.)
sharp2799
Jan. 6th, 2013 02:20 am (UTC)
Yes! Abigail Boran would do it for me. :D
aeron_lanart
Jan. 4th, 2013 03:21 am (UTC)
Not seen Arrow, and have no intention of seeing it either which I think might be a good thing going by what you said.

Unlike you, I liked Rory, though Amy annoyed the hell out of me by the end. I still thought that the Christmas special was a much needed breath of fresh air. I adore Madam Vastra and Jenny for a start, and enjoyed her "we're married" comment (brain has come up with several ways around the restrictions of their particular time and place so it works for me) and I thought Strax was amusing without being too annoying. Ian McKellen as the voice of the snowmen was brill.

I am loving Elementary; I adore Joan, am rather fond of Sherlock and Gregson and am really pleased the series got taken on for 24 episodes. Most of my RL fannish friends here in the UK don't seem to want to give it a chance, nice to know at least some of online friends do. I can't see it eating my brain like BBC Sherlock did after the 2nd series, but it's up there with Castle on my list of American shows I don't like to miss (and there aren't that many TBH).
karaokegal
Jan. 6th, 2013 01:45 am (UTC)
It's a pity that so Many Sherlock fans (on both sides of the Atlantic) have gotten their hackles up about Elementary. There's so much charm in the Joan/Sherlock relationship, whether you see it as friends only or something more in the making.

I've got a definitely plot-bunny (WHEEE!) although I have a feeling it won't be to a lot of tastes. (The Doctor sends Jenny on a mission with Jack; Madame Vastra is NOT happy.)
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