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Star Trek-Into Darkness

Suspension of disbelief pretty much went out the window the moment....



Mickey Smith was looking at Sherlock Holmes.

Nice to see Noel Clarke getting the work, but that puts two Who alumni in the movie and that's a little too much stream crossing. Not to mention the fact that Star Fleet is now borrowing their on-ship prison cells from the Avengers Initiative. I practically expected Khan to call someone a mewling quim.

Over-all entertaining, but a lot of disappointments starting with Benedict Cumberbatch. Not even the "white-washing" thing, as much as the fact that Ricardo Montalbán was a fucking force of nature and BC is not. He was just another baddie with who could punch really hard and say smart stuff. And honestly, I've seen no indication that BC was ever right for THAT part. He's a good actor. He's well-suited for Sherlock Holmes and was amazing in Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, but he's not a Brian Blessed sized canned ham, which is what he would have had to be to fit into the part.

Presumably this is why the Cumberbitches like to Woobie-fy their Sherlock so much. He's scrawny. There's was just no reason for this baddie to be Khan and the fact that it was all clearly fan-service (in it's non-slash sense) left a bad taste.

When Spock tried to go the full Shatner for his big "Khhhaaaaaaan" it was totally unearned. And did anyone for a nano-second think Kirk was staying dead anyway? In Wrath of Khan, Dead-Spock was real and Shatner's pain in conjunction with Ricardo Montalbán meant something. I supposed I should be glad that at least JJ realized BC wasn't capable of pulling off any Moby Dick references.

Putting Checkov in the engine room for the whole movie only served to point out that there was never any reason for him to be on the bridge in the first place except that NBC wanted a cute young guy. Then letting Sulu have some crowning moments of badassery made Anton Yelchin seem more inept as a stand-in Scotty. What, you can be chief engineer as long as you have a red shirt and a goofy accent?

I felt like Zachary Quinto was being pushed to make Spock more of a caricature than he should be or even was in the first re-boot movie. I do like that we saw CLEARLY womanizing Kirk. He is. He was. He always will be. No Kirk revisionism. Pulling Nimoy out of the moth-balls was just painful. The modern sounding snark interwoven with old-school Trek portentiousness didn't really work for me either. And on behalf of Christine Chapel and Majel Barrett Rodenberry (RIP) I'm pretty offended by her shout-out messing with her TOS canon. It wasn't pretty watching her throw herself at Spock, but she did. Making her a Kirk one-nighter that he can't remember? BLECH.

British Carol Marcus? WHUT? So when is Kirk going to knock her up?



What did I like?
1. Keenser in the back-ground sitting on one of the photon-torpedoes while Scotty is throwing his plot-point hissy fit. In fact, I really love Scotty and Keenser together. They should have their own series.
2. Hey, Peter Weller....nice to see you.
3. Pike/Kirk---OOH actually chemistry. Can't have that on screen for too long. KABOOM!
4. Tribble! Although that was one DAMN big looking Tribble.
5. The old music at the end still makes me cry.

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donutsweeper
May. 27th, 2013 12:21 am (UTC)
We went and saw this today as a family. The teens really liked it, although son admitted that it wasn't until afterwards that he realized the plot didn't make a lot of sense.

I.... don't feel like I wasted 3 hours of my life, but was unimpressed. BC was okay, but not the MASSIVE PRESENCE needed for that kind of part. The plot was laughably incomprehensible overall. Sulu and Checkov were massively underused, Scotty was random and the new chick's part was just kind of 'there'. I saw no point whatsoever for Nimoy to be there. Chris Pine's eyes are very blue and very nice. And ermm... yeah. That's about it.
karaokegal
May. 27th, 2013 05:18 pm (UTC)
The ultra-blueness of Chris Pine's eyes is about the only thing that kept me from thinking Tony Dinozzo (Michael Weatherly) was Captain Kirk. Assuming it's not a super-close-up, I always have to check the captions on pictures to figure out which one it is.

The fact that BC just wasn't up to MASSIVE PRESENCE aspect of the role, made it feel like Stunt Casting. Although maybe JJ and BC made a deliberate decision for him NOT to go the BIG HAM place. Unfortunately without the actual physical presence, it really made him nothing but a generic baddie. When Spock was describing the Khan he knew, I thought young Spock was just going to say, "what the hell are you talking about?"
joanne_c
May. 27th, 2013 02:08 am (UTC)
I was sitting here staring at the screen trying to think who the other Who person was and I remembered Simon Pegg eventually.

Agreed on entertaining overall.

I figure the messing with canon can all be explained by AU (fanwank, but I can live with it). I even think that's an acceptable explanation for a white Khan but apparently that makes me truly evil according to some. But people are working harder than they need to to be offended. Plus it was never going to appeal to me once he wasn't Benicio Del Toro (though I didn't mind Cumberbatch at all in and of himself, but I agree with all you said). I've even decided because the only person who said "Noonien Singh" was Nimoy!Spock, new!Khan doesn't have to have that as his name if I don't want him to.

I'm now very curious as to your opinion on Kirk/Spock in general, even more so in the old series, given what you say about the womanising here.
karaokegal
May. 27th, 2013 05:25 pm (UTC)
OMG! Benecio Del Toro would have been perfect, both in the physicality and the ability to OWN the screen and chew up the scenery when necessary.

I don't think Kirk being a canon womanizer invalidates Kirk/Spock, but you won't be surprised to know that I'm not a big fan of happy/fluffy/untroubled Kirk/Spock. And as you know, I read some of the earlier fics when suggesting that they had a sexual relationship was pretty revolutionary. I'll buy it in a heart-beat, but only with all the angst, pain, self-doubt, social ramifications etc. that it would have either in 60's world Trek or in whatever Utopia the reboot postulates. This ain't late Heinlein where everyone screws everyone with impunity.

joanne_c
May. 27th, 2013 11:52 pm (UTC)
I know. I'm still disappointed about that, to be honest.

So not shocked to know that. *nods* Well, the idea is that the future is supposed to be, if not a Utopia, at least a place where that discrimination is not done any more, but it's more than possible to write fic where it's still a complication - even if it's the cliche of never thinking they were into men, which I've seen treated interestingly in all the Trek series fanfiction I've read. But it tends to be more OTP centred, or at least pairing centred, which can be offputting in other ways depending on how it's handled.

Oh and the Chekhov thing was a nod to Wrath Of Khan/Walter Koenig's later casting, where Chekov in original Trek hadn't met Khan because he hadn't been cast, but Khan said he was on the ship, apparently. And it gave me fodder for my Scotty/Chekov ship so I'm good ;)

Edited at 2013-05-27 11:54 pm (UTC)
photoash
May. 27th, 2013 02:40 am (UTC)
I was so excited when Noel was on screen! I was like omg it's Mickey working for Star fleet <3 <3 <3

Who else was Who alum? I'm not good at spotting actors XD

I thought it was an okay action movie. I had the same feeling I have watching the first few episodes of Elementary - it's a nice show, but you shouldn't look at it as too close to the source material it's just inspired by :) (for the record so far in the 4 eps I've watched I feel like Elementary is as much about sherlock holmes as house md was which is fine - I was needing another buddy cop show since all the ones I liked aren't around anymore).
joanne_c
May. 27th, 2013 03:17 am (UTC)
Simon Pegg (who it took me ages to remember) was in the first season of New Who. I think he also did the Confidentials.
photoash
May. 27th, 2013 03:21 am (UTC)
OH :) thanks I sorta remember that.
karaokegal
May. 27th, 2013 05:42 pm (UTC)
He was The Editor in the Long Game. He also narrated the first season Confidentials.








karaokegal
May. 27th, 2013 05:29 pm (UTC)
I love seeing Noel, honestly. I actually thought he gave a great performance in those few scenes and with pretty much no dialogue...but it was still Mickey Smith meets Sherlock Holmes rather than, this tortured Star Fleet officer is being manipulated by a real evil bad guy.

Elementary gets much much better, BTW. I felt it earned its finale and by the end JLM really is Sherlock Holmes. I also give the show major kudos for being HONEST about drug addiction in a way that House never was. Yes, they'd pretend to show House suffering from his addiction, but they always hedged the point that he was an addict BECAUSE he was in pain from the leg. They never admitted he was an addice BECAUSE he was an addict and that when he was supposed to be clean he was still drinking and therefore NOT CLEAN. (You may remember a multitude of House-babble rants on that topic.)
starhawk2005
May. 27th, 2013 03:40 pm (UTC)
Star Fleet is now borrowing their on-ship prison cells from the Avengers Initiative.

*giggles* I have no objection as long as Loki is the one in the cell.

I practically expected Khan to call someone a mewling quim.

ROTFL! You're on a roll this week, I see.

Then I guess you must've seen Avengers? For some reason, I thought you hadn't...
karaokegal
May. 27th, 2013 05:32 pm (UTC)
I did---mostly because it's one of those lemming things. If my dash is going to be full of something, I should have some idea where the Zeitgeist is at the moment.
starhawk2005
May. 27th, 2013 05:47 pm (UTC)
Did you like it?
gritsinmisery
May. 27th, 2013 06:56 pm (UTC)
Like #4: IKR? If he hadn't announced that Tribble was already necrotic, I'da expected it to pop out fresh puffballs any second.
karaokegal
May. 27th, 2013 06:58 pm (UTC)
Thank you! That wasn't a Tribble, it was a throw cushion.
dref22
May. 27th, 2013 08:30 pm (UTC)
I haven't watched it yet and I'll ask again: Why didn't they come up with an original storyline/character? D:
karaokegal
May. 27th, 2013 08:38 pm (UTC)
Presumably there isn't enough "new" fandom to support the franchise even of the Reboot, without constant shout-outs and throw-backs to the old stuff. In this case I think it was a disservice. BC COULD have played a truly terrifying, hyper-intellectual villain on his own terms. (Essentially a Sherlock who really meant it when he said he wasn't an angel.) If they wanted BC's fangirls, they could have created something for him. BUT they also wanted old-school Trekkers/Trekkies and they assume those people need something to trigger their Pavlovian response, hence the biggest and the baddest HAS to be Khan, even if the actor is eminently unsuitable.
dref22
May. 27th, 2013 09:28 pm (UTC)
I'm really huge fan of Trek since I was 13 and I really didn't need that kind of a trigger but I am afraid you are very spot on about their way of thinking. XD I kinda dislike this kind of, what they call it, stunt casting?

Btw thanks to the fandom, Moffat etc I am no longer a fan of BBC Sherlock, haha
karaokegal
May. 27th, 2013 09:52 pm (UTC)
I'm willing to blame Moff for a bunch of my current anti Who-feels, but for Sherlock, the fandom is a bit of a turn-off. I reallyreally hope there's a Mary Morstan in the new Sherlock series and she and John are incredibly happily married.

Have you been following the whole Tumblr thing where the SuperWhoLock gang tried to get the Hannibal fans to play with them, and were basically told "We don't want to join your super secret boy band?"
dref22
May. 27th, 2013 09:56 pm (UTC)
Really? OMG I suck at tumblr and I think I missed this! Why did that happen?
karaokegal
May. 28th, 2013 10:23 pm (UTC)
WHY? Because it's fandom and you can count on people to behave as douchey a way as possible, especially if there's a new fandom on the block with a shiny and new potential white-cock pairing that might make you less of speshul snoflake so you somehow need to get them into your club instead of having to join theirs?

If you're really interested, it's sort of still floating around in the Hannibal and SuperWhoLock (VOMIT!) tags.

Edited at 2013-05-28 10:25 pm (UTC)
dref22
May. 30th, 2013 07:53 pm (UTC)
LOLOL thank you so much for the info! I swear I had no idea what was going on!

Wow...This tag LOL. It's just...painful XD I've been reading the posts and I can't even hahaha! Ugh, this is why I don't really like Tumblr...
karaokegal
May. 30th, 2013 08:00 pm (UTC)
It's an acquired addiction taste. Today is a strange day because they've done one of their periodic revamps, which piss me off so much. I honestly feel like Flickr, Tumblr, and now even Gmail are all conspiring to drive me bonkers with their bullshit redesigns.
dref22
May. 30th, 2013 08:07 pm (UTC)
Oh I didn't even realize the change. XD It's so funny though, I keep bitching about Tumblr and yet I can't leave it for good haha
filthgoblin
May. 28th, 2013 05:52 pm (UTC)
"I really love Scotty and Keenser together. They should have their own series."

^^THISSSSSSSSSS!! I love those guys together. And them in the bar, commiserating over Scotty's accepted resignation? Love!

I liked the film as an action flick until the whole Khan/KHAAAAAAAAAAN/OhlooknomoredeadKirk bit. I love Cumberbatch to pieces but I totally agree that he was more cookie cutter Brit Bad GuyTM than Khan and yes, he is too scrawny to pull off the strutting, brooding awesomeness that was Montalbán's Khan. There was no need for Cumberbatch to be Khan. There was no need to drag Nimoy out again. If they keep doing the "ooh, look how MIRRORVERSE this mirrorverse is" thing, they're going to fuck off both the old-school Trekkies and the new fans who have no idea what they're referencing and feel left out of the loop.

I too love unreconstructed Kirk. Oversexed and brimming with machismo that oozes out of his fists at the slightest provocation. If we can have more of that and less of the pointless harking back to TOS, that would be much appreciated.
karaokegal
May. 28th, 2013 10:12 pm (UTC)
YES! Everything. This and so much more. I honestly feel it did a disservice to the movie and to BC. I've had people argue that a hulking, hammy Khan wouldn't have worked in this kind of post-ironic modern hipsterish Reboot world, but as you say, then why bother using Khan at all? There's a million other ways to have a strong, super-intelligent, egotistical villain.

Just musing now, but if they wanted to go all throw-back, how about making him a super-intelligent gone-bad android and let Kirk try his famous "drive them nuts with illogic" maneuver?

I'm not crazy about Simon Pegg having to use James Doohan's bad Scottish accent as a template anyway (ditto Yelchin and Walter Koenig's accent) but with all his running back and forth, it felt like he was back on Who. The Keenser stuff was his best moments. The bar scene was awesome. That and the Kirk/Pike bar scenes were probably the best ones in the movie.
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